Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #52660
From: Top Flight Services <topservices@bellsouth.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: auto engine
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:31:51 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Hi Mike , We helped Greg Oram install one of their engines in a 360 many years ago .Please will find below his reply to me regarding the current status of his " project " . Best Regards - Rob
Rob Lueck
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from Greg :
 
funny you should ask.

crossflow is out of business. jorge is still doing work on the engines they have out there, but mostly they are making machine parts (they got a big cnc machine back when he had some sort of investors). 

my plane had been sitting up there since 03. they had a really good guy working there for a while (lou) and he actually did a lot of work on my plane, but never got it sorted out. he put about 4 hours of flight time on it, but various cooling issues are still unresolved. they have a new turbo, injectors, intake, and reduction drive on it and it was running fine last time he flew it, but problems with cooling (engine oil and reduction drive oil still heat up if you go fast) are still there, and the turbo doesn't really do any good without an intercooler. the air going straight from the turbo into the intake is so hot it doesn't add any power. i wish i had known more about turbos way back when...

3 weeks ago, jorge came down to south carolina with his trailer to pick up a plane (a white lightning) to bring back to canada, so i told him to bring mine and drop it off on the way. so now its in my friends hanger in virginia. i am going to install all the necessary coolers to make it function properly (oil cooler, reduction cooler, and turbo intercooler) and get it so the motor runs properly and then sell it for whatever i can get. i assume whoever buys it will install an airplane motor, but i'm going to get it running as-is anyway (coolers aren't expensive) in case someone wants to use it as-is. 

i believe the biggest problem with the crossflow motors is the inability to run the motor hard enough to make the claimed power without overheating problems. i think they stubbornly tried to make due with inadequate radiators, and without the coolers because the added weight will probably push the overall weight to quite a bit more than a lycoming, and one of their sales points was that their motor weighed less...

also, the added drag from the radiator, 2 oil coolers and an intercooler makes their setup inappropriate for a fast slippery plane. for a utility type plane they are probably fine (if you add all the coolers).

there is some sort of big fly-in at the airport in virginia on sept 12th, and i hope to install the coolers and have it running by then (without the wings installed, the hanger it's in now is too small).

jorge is currently working on another 360 with the same motor, but they are installing the radiator in the cowling, and all the coolers, including a top mounted intercooler (like in the subaru car). i have no idea how all that will fit, but he claims it will, and they are having a company do a custom cowling which he says has been design by somebody up there with proper fluid dynamics software. he says they will have the mold and they can make cowlings for other planes if needed. i'm leaving mine the way it is, with the scoop underneath, because i stopped believing anything jorge says a long time ago. i also gave up any hope of ever flying my plane a long time ago. (very sad)...

is the guy you mentioned thinking of putting the crossflow motor in a lancair? if he wants to, i would consider selling my whole firewall forward (including MT prop) for a very reasonable price...

you can send him this email, or you can give him mine, or my phone # (still 202.375.4753) and i'd be glad to speak to him. 

let me know if you need any crazy shaped metal airplane parts. i can make pretty much any shape...i have some serious metal shaping tools up here...

hope things are going well for you, 
cheers,
greg o
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:27 AM
Subject: auto engine

Hello All,
Anyone here have any tried crossflow engine on their 360.
Mike 360
 
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