Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #37433
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Cooling Recommendations
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:16:16 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
AN-20 are plenty for the radiator hoses, I use AN-16 and Tracy used two 5/8" dia hoses (parallel).  So that should not adversely affect your cooling.
 
Be aware that HVAC ducting is generally not dealing with air flows that they have to slow down from 160 + MPH.  While I do not pretend to be HVAC knowledgeable - the environment and conditions are different - that is not to say there may not be good ideas there - just a different environment.
 
You may find that taking the engine air inlet out of the cooling plenum area (at least for the moment)  and concentrating on getting the airflow moving into your radiator might be worthwhile.  You have more than enough cubic inches like somewhere around 700 cubic inches.  My two GM cores have 9x10x3.5 @ 2  = 630 cubic inches, so I don't think its the capacity of your radiator, its big enough so that even if your lose an effective 70 cubic inches due to exit air being impeded, It should still be big enough.
 
As mentioned by others, improving the air exiting will pay benefits as well.  However, I found that in the real world  when I tried to put an exit duct to aid in air leaving  the radiator, it has so many crooks and turns that it actually ended up hurting cooling and was removed.
 
Sometimes, there seems to be no recourse but to try several different things.  I got incremental improvement with the first 4 changes I made, but it was not until the 5th change that I got a significant improvement in cooling.  It probably won't take you that many - but, it could.
 
Ed
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Cooling Recommendations

Rotary Group,
Thanks for the suggestions - questions etc.

Questions and--- maybe answers

Oil pan clearance.
The oil pan is a flat bottom Renesis stock pan .  In the first picture sent 5/27 it is about level with the white motor mount tube under the engine.  At the front it is about 2 inches from the radiator surface.  At the back it is about 8 inches above the radiator.  The pan only covers some of the water rad. and none of the oil rad.  I get better cooling on the water side so I don't believe it is a problem. 

Duct shape.
My James cowl inlet ended about 3/4 inch inside the opening.  I added foam and glass to make a smooth transition to the bottom and sides of the cowl.  Air entering near the top of the inlet either turns up  about 90 deg.within 2 inches of the inlet to the air filter or goes straight back to the radiator.  I don't like this arrangement but don't know how much the turbulance contributes to poor cooling.  My first attempt to improve the top inlet flow made cooling worse so I am looking at other areas now.

Water hose may be restrictive.
The hoses in the first 5/27 picture are oil lines to the oil cooler.  An-10 to the cooler and AN-8 back to the engine.
The water coolant hoses are AN-20 not shown because they are behind and on the other side of the engine.

Turnning Vane construction.
I can easily construct a support that bolts to the bottom of the cowl.  This may be able to be installed through the inlet without taking the bottom cowl off.
I have not found much information on flow turning vanes in either the K&W Chapter 12 or Hoerner's Fluid -Dynamic Drag.  Probably need to look at HVAC duct design information.

Dennis H.
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