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You do have to
"temper" this information a bit (so to speak.) It is more than
likely that your seals became VERY hot in the last few minutes of engine
operation.
At 07:25 PM 5/5/2005, you wrote:
Thanks Bob,
Verrrryyyyy Innnteerreessstinnngg.
So it does appear that my seals were "soft" at least in
comparison of the Hurley seals of Rusty. Only one area of the six
areas you tested on my seal was above Rockwell 30 - whereas 11 out of the
12 areas tested on Rusty seal were above Rockwell 30. Also one hit
on my seal indicated a Rockwell hardness of only 23.1. I am not
knowledgeable enough to know if those difference are a major significance
or not - but it does show the metal in my seal of less hardness than that
of Rusty.
Your findings plus (as you noted)
the ridge of metal gouged out of the seal by apparently its rubbing
against the top edge of the apex slot indicates to me that my seals were
likely less that they should have been.
Appreciate you taking the time and
trouble, Bob. Should have sent you one of Tracy's to test as well -
but mine were all in the engine {:>)
Best Regards
Ed
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: Bob Perkinson
- To: Rotary motors in
aircraft
- Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:28 PM
- Subject: [FlyRotary] Seal Hrdness
- OK here are the HARD
numbers, but first let me give some detail on what equipment I used and
how the tests were conducted. The equipment used was an Equotip 2
portable hardness tester, manufactured by Proceq Sa, Switzerland.
-
- The following is an
explanation snagged from there web site.
-
- ?The EQUOTIP 2
metal hardness tester is a light weight, yet powerful portable hardness
tester for all metallic materials. It measures the Leeb value (L)
for materials, which is a ratio of the impact velocity to the rebound
velocity. This L value is then converted to standard hardness
scales such as Rockwell, Brinell, Shore, and Vickers using conversion
tables stored in the display unit and generated from the original Leeb
block.?
-
- I had mentioned in a
previous post that the numbers that I generated when testing the stock
seal were jumping around. Well like the old saying says, ?when all
else fails read the instructions.? The seals are not thick enough
to be tested without providing a good support, in fact they are at the
minimum thickness for the impact device that is used. So the seals
were coupled to a heavy support base for the test.
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- The seals were tested in
three locations on each side, the straight side end, center and the
corner seal end. Each set of figures represents 3 impacts, the
first figure is the LOWEST ?L? value in the series, the second is the
HIGHEST ?L? value, the third is the RANGE the forth is the MEAN ?L?, the
fifth is the HARDNESS. In the first series, ?L? value is converted
to Brinell hardness, in the second series ?L? is converted to
Rockwell.
-
-
- Min
- Max
- Range
- Mean
- Hardness Brinell
- Rusty Duffy
-
-
-
-
-
- Side 1
- 574
- 581
- 7
- 577
- 298
-
- 574
- 590
- 16
- 580
- 302
-
- 578
- 597
- 19
- 585
- 307
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 302.33333
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Side2
- 560
- 573
- 13
- 566
- 286
-
- 569
- 584
- 15
- 578
- 300
-
- 586
- 598
- 12
- 591
- 314
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 300
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Min
- Max
- Range
- Mean
- Hardness Rockwell
- Side 1
- 571
- 593
- 22
- 580
- 31.4
-
- 578
- 582
- 4
- 580
- 31.4
-
- 561
- 563
- 2
- 562
- 28.8
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 30.533333
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Side 2
- 576
- 578
- 2
- 577
- 31
-
- 578
- 583
- 5
- 580
- 31.4
-
- 583
- 587
- 4
- 585
- 32.1
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 31.5
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Rusty's Broken Seal. Only tested in 2
places
- Min
- Max
- Range
- Mean
- Hardness Brinell
- Side 1
- 571
- 600
- 29
- 584
- 306
-
- 565
- 588
- 23
- 576
- 297
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 301.5
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Side 2
- 588
- 592
- 4
- 589
- 312
-
- 580
- 600
- 20
- 587
- 310
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 311
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Min
- Max
- Range
- Mean
- Hardness Rockwell
- Side 1
- 558
- 580
- 22
- 570
- 30.1
-
- 576
- 588
- 12
- 584
- 32.2
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 31.15
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Side 2
- 576
- 588
- 12
- 583
- 32.1
-
- 587
- 592
- 5
- 589
- 33
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 32.55
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Ed Anderson
- Min
- Max
- Range
- Mean
- Hardness Brinell
- Side 1
- 525
- 554
- 29
- 541
- 260
-
- 524
- 549
- 25
- 536
- 255
-
- 548
- 562
- 14
- 557
- 277
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 264
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Side 2
- 557
- 584
- 27
- 571
- 292
-
- 566
- 577
- 11
- 573
- 294
-
- 574
- 577
- 3
- 575
- 298
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 294.66667
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Min
- Max
- Range
- Mean
- Hardness Rockwell
- Side 1
- 534
- 562
- 28
- 550
- 26.9
-
- 516
- 538
- 22
- 531
- 23.1
-
- 530
- 558
- 20
- 549
- 26.8
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 25.6
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Side 2
- 562
- 588
- 26
- 577
- 31.2
-
- 555
- 68
- 13
- 564
- 29.2
-
- 554
- 578
- 24
- 567
- 29.6
- Average
-
-
-
-
- 30
-
-
- I can only speculate on
the difference between hardness values on Ed?s seal. This seal had
a noticeable ridge worn in both sides from the apparent rocking motion in
the rotor apex slot.
-
- I am not a Professional
Engineer, But I did sleep in my own bed last night. (I think!)
-
-
- Bob Perkinson
- Hendersonville, TN.
- RV9A
- If Nothing Changes
- Nothing Changes!
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