Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #14942
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: fluidyne oil cooler
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:20:00 -0800
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Russell Duffy
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Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:21 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: fluidyne oil cooler

 

You should be able to get flow rate; pressure drop; heat rejection rating from Fluidyne.  Based on my calcs, it would be good to about a steady 120 hp in a rotary, if you get good air flow through it. 

 

How can you calculate this without the info you mentioned?   How much air flow is "good".  What is the temp?  I appreciate the thought, but I don't really believe all the calculations in the world will give a real answer when you consider all the variables.  It might be interesting, and will certainly be in the ballpark, but you won't really know how it works until you try it.

  

I knew when I wrote it you didn’t want to hear what I had to sayJ.  And I didn’t say I was right, just based on my calcs and comparisons, that was my judgement.  I did the analysis for my installation, and just scaled your fluidyne cooler off of that.  Of course the answer you get depends on your objectives and assumptions.  I’d like to be able to run a continuous 75-80% power on a 90F day at climb speed.

 

Yeah; a complete analysis is complex, and beyond the tools that I have at my disposal.  But back when I was heading up an engineering analysis group, it was amazing what we did.  A few tens of thousands of dollars solved problems that hundreds of thousands of build ‘em and bust ‘em dollars would never solve.  I’m just fortunate to still have some of the simpler analytic tools at my disposal, so questions like “how much flow is good?” aren’t too tough and gets you in the ballpark pretty quick.  Take the amount of heat you have to dump, the specific heat of the fluid, and an approximate temperature change, and you can calculate the flow rate right now.  Actually getting that flow rate through the heat exchanger may be the tough part.

 

Fluidyne has tested their oil cooler cores and have heat rejection heat rejection rates, pressure drops, as a function of flow rates, etc; it’s just tough to get them to give you the data.  I discussed it with one of their engineers years ago when I was doing my design.

 

And you’re right; ultimately you have to install it and test it.  The simple analysis just increases the odds of getting close on the first try.

 

Al

 

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