Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #55510
From: Wolfgang <Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: Odyssey batteries with very limited warranties
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:46:37 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
It's entirely possible that a battery can deliver 80% rated capacity at C/5 but not be able to deliver starting current.
Testing needs to be done both ways and if capacity is met, there should be no problem continuing that batterie's use.
 
Self discharge of lead batteries is about 5% / month at 20ºC. A float charger that gives about 2ma-3ma is all that's needed for a 30AH battery.
 
A battery maintainer that gives a 2A charge and drops to trickle when the battery gets up to 13.5 - 14V and kicks in again if the battery gets down to 12V will do nicely also so long as the trickle charge is not too high.
 
Wolfgang

From: Sky2high@aol.com
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Odyssey batteries with very limited warranties
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:39:37 -0400
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Chris, et al,
 
I use Battery Tenders (BT) on all SLA batteries if there will be extended periods of disuse, including the  airplane.  I have a B&C battery (may be an Odyssey) from 1998 (before the BC110 reversed the anode/cathode position) that still powers the start motor on a generator.   My tractor battery (used for mowing and snow removal) has been maintained for years on a BT when not in use.  My motorcycle sits unused through the winter months - the battery is from 2000) and spends those cold months on a BT - it still works.  I have made use of discarded B&C batteries all over the place - used for raising my airplane on electric jacks, used for winching it in, etc.  They continue to be usable if maintained with a BT from time to time.  I do not temp fate - the aircraft battery (B&C) is often replaced every 3 or 4 years depending on how I have misused it.  Pre-flight requires checking both the main battery and the EI backup battery for VDC levels and trends.
 
A battery expert (usually an older person) will tell you that this is nuts - they just haven't experienced a well made SLA  battery with pads and their reliability - if kept charged/maintained.  Of course, that's just my observation.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 6/21/2010 5:39:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, chris_zavatson@yahoo.com writes:
Paul,
Changing the discharge rate during a capacity check will alter the results  Going higher in current will yield less capacity while using less current will produce a higher capacity.  The battery has internal resistance that also uses up power (turns into heat) during the discharge test.  This loss is roughly a squared function of the current, therefore changing the discharge current will alter the results.  
 
I highly recommend keeping batteries on a maintainer while not in use.  Once I started using these, my batteries (Concorde 25XC) would retain over 90% capacity even after five years of use.   I can now replace them based on calendar time instead of performance.
 
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std


From: paul miller <paul@tbm700.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 5:20:51 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Odyssey batteries with very limited warranties

To avoid tossing a good battery you can do a test similar to that used on our Concorde batteries.    Take the amp-hour rating (C1) and draw a load and measure the amps and time down to the threshold of 10v or 20v depending on the battery.   If we can get 80% of the rated A-H capacity we keep it.  But, we use a normal discharge rate in the airplane, not a full draw at C1 as I think that is unnecessary.   So, maybe something like 20% of C1 discharging through some lights for example or a rate that duplicates a discharge rate in the airplane in your worst condition so that it will show up any faults under load.   Take a measurement every X minutes and get your capacity.  I'd do it on the bench out of the airplane and track the capacity between annuals.

We previously tossed these expensive batteries based on calendar life but we can now leave them on condition using these tests.

Paul
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