Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #8949
From: Terry L Schubert <jschuber@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Not my best landing
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:10:05 -0400
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Good for you.
 
The Cozys I have seen that damage on usually had heavy noses.   I don't know what your loading was like.   The Cozy uses Rutan's original Long-EZ lay up schedule but carries FAR more weight.  When the nose comes down it can delaminate that side skin.
 

Terry Schubert
Central States Association
Newsletter Editor
 
 
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:47:28 -0400 "Steve Brooks" <steve@tsisp.com> writes:
> Terry,
> Thanks for the advice.  I will definitely do the coin test to see if
> there
> is any damage.  The nose didn't hit very hard, so I hope that there
> isn't
> any.  I think that gear was in the process of extending when it hit,
> which
> mitigated the damage.
>
> Steve
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         Rotary motors in aircraft
> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]  On
> Behalf Of Terry L Schubert
> Sent:        Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:22 PM
> To:        Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject:        [FlyRotary] Re: Not my best landing
>
> Dear Steve,
>
> I guess you are feeling badly enough about your landing.  I did mine
> on
> the 3rd flight.  PLEASE do not believe you "have it out of your
> system"!
>
> My next gear up landing was at OSH with 15,000 witnesses and a 20kt
> cross
> wind.  "There are those who have and those that will and those that
> will
> land gear up AGAIN!"
>
> When a Cozy lands gear up it puts considerable pressure on the side
> skin
> under the canard.  I suggest you do a coin tap test for
> delaminations in
> the area directly under the canard to about a foot below the
> canard.
> That is the usual damage area.  Damage is not noticeable until you
> do
> that.
>
> Landing distractions will continue to occur.  I recommend you get
> that
> warning system & AEX made fool proof.
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Terry Schubert
> Central States Association
> Newsletter Editor
>
>
>
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:19:14 -0400 "Steve Brooks" <steve@tsisp.com>
> writes:
> > I made my 6th flight today, and after flying for .8 hours, came in
> to
> > land
> > after I noticed that I had a vacuum failure, and did not put the
> > nose gear
> > down.  Talk about running my day, it definitely was not good, but
> > could have
> > been much worse.
> >
> > I was evidently distracted by wondering about what happened to
> the
> > vacuum,
> > instead of doing my landing checklist.  I was worried that I could
> > have lost
> > a belt, so I was keeping a watchful eye on the temperatures.  I
> > did,
> > however, turn on the boost pump, and check fuel.  I haven't been
> > used to
> > having to put the gear down, and coupled with the distraction,
> and
> > stupidity, was the formal for a problem.
> >
> > I came in high and a little on the fast side, in fact, I couldn't
> > figure out
> > why I wasn't descending, and bleeding speed.  How about the fact
> > that the
> > gear was up.  I was deploying both rudders, and marveling over
> how
> > well that
> > worked to get the altitude problem solved.  Apparently the AEX
> was
> > in the
> > process of extending the gear when I touched down, which probably
> > saved me
> > from allot more damage.  I landed a little faster than I had
> been,
> > and sat
> > it down without letting it float along like all of my other
> > landings.  If I
> > had landed like I did before, the extra 4 or 5 seconds could have
> > let the
> > gear get all the way down...but it didn't.
> >
> > Damage was really no too bad.  Ground off the face of the landing
> > gear strut
> > about 1/8" ground the front of the castoring nose wheel casting
> flat
> > in one
> > spot, and ground off about half of the hockey puck.  As soon as I
> > realized
> > what had happened, I pulled back all the way on the elevator, and
> > hit the
> > nose gear switch, which was already turning.  The nose came up and
> I
> > was
> > still rolling at maybe 20-30 MPH.  I pulled off on a taxiway,
> shut
> > down, and
> > got out to inspect the damage.  I expected the worst, but really
> was
> > pretty
> > minimal.  I decided that everything was good enough to taxi back
> to
> > the
> > hanger, where I pulled the nose cover to check for any other
> > damage.
> > Everything inside looked fine.  The nose lift is fine.  The
> landing
> > gear
> > strut will have to be replaced, as well as the lower casting on
> the
> > nose
> > wheel assembly.  I may forget allot of things in the future, but
> > I'll bet
> > that landing gear won't be one of them.
> >
> > I pulled the engine cowling, and the belt on the smog pump that I
> > use for
> > vacuum was fine, so I still don't know the cause of the vacuum
> > problem.  I
> > need to pull the canard, and I/P cover anyway to troubleshoot a
> NAV
> > system
> > problem, so I'll get to the bottom of it when I do that.  I'll
> have
> > plenty
> > of time while I'm waiting on parts.
> > The only damage to the nose at all was a couple of cracks in the
> > micro
> > around the hockey puck.  I'll have to sand it down to get the
> rest
> > of the
> > puck off anyways, so that isn't a big deal.
> >
> > The good news is that my noise in the right main wheel is fixed. 
> I
> > took it
> > apart, really didn't find anything, but I repacked the bearings,
> and
> > put it
> > all back together and the noise is gone.  I guess that it must
> have
> > been an
> > alignment issue with the disk or something.  I was careful to
> snug
> > the bolts
> > with the same torque while mounting the disk to the wheel.  I
> think
> > that may
> > have been the issue.
> >
> > Also the engine continues to run superbly.  I still am running
> > warmer than I
> > like, but I have a plan to remedy that.  The rotary engine is so
> > smooth and
> > quiet that you forget it's running almost.
> >
> > Steve Brooks
> > Cozy MKIV N75CZ
> > Turbo rotary
> >
> >
> >
> >
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