Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #65060
From: lehanover lehanover@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Broken Apex seal leads to dissassembly.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 22:04:26 +0000 (UTC)
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
A broken apex seal usually takes out the housing, but if you have two faces making compression then maybe not. Any auto machine shop can grind your irons flat. Check for warping first. Discard warped irons.
Nitriding was not used in early engines. It would take 20 years of flying to tell the difference between Nitrided and not Nitrided. You can lap them yourself after grinding. Apply valve grinding compound to one iron and rub another iron on it. Keep the oil on it. Plan on a week end of hand work. There should be no shinny spots when you finish. I did this on all race engines I built. Even new irons. Makes a great surface for quick beak-in and and good for two years of racing at 9,600 RPM with better compression as engine time builds up. the high pressure car wash is required to get every particle of compound out. Since the engine will be a bit shorter, I put a chamfer on the front of the rear main bearing so it cannot touch the radius on the crank. Assemble as normal. Use solid corner seals. Set side seal end gap at just  zero. One corner seal pushes one side seal around the engine.
It will be wearing in the side seals  quickly during a 2 hour fast idle break-in. If the corner seal and both adjacent side seals pop up after being compressed that is all of the clearance required. This design has dozens of places to loose compression. A warn engine with no compression will start if the engine is spun up fast enough. As in a push start for a car. Or two batteries in series for the starter on the dyno.

Our first race car was an RX-2 with a junk engine. It was a gift to us because of no start. I poured in 1/4 cup of engine oil and 1/2 a cup of hot coffee and get an instant start. A big cloud of smoke as well.  Not a good idea for an airplane, but a demo of how robust the design actually is. If your rotors are good. Put them in a press and push on the gear to be sure it is set as deep in the rotor as far as it will go. I grind the index tab off of the new rotor bearings. I install the bearings with a pusher with a flange to stop the bearing perfectly. I heat the rotor and freeze the bearing. Wipe on the Red Locktite and press it home quickly. That index tab makes a bump on the inside of the bearing. Hit that with sanding drum on a Dremmel. (just a bit)

I use 100 PSI oil pressure but aircraft need only 75-80 PSI up to 6,000 RPM. For steel Apex seal use axle grease to hold them in place during assembly. I like to keep the end piece of the apex seal on the end facing up where I can see it.  The little buggers will fly across the shop and hide for months.

Use some cheap 30 weight fleet oil for 2 hour to 4 hour break-in. Then dump that oil and look inside the filter for bearing material. Probably a bit of sealant material but nothing else. Refill with RedLine 40 weight racing synthetic. Add 1 ounce of RedLine synthetic 2cycle oil for each gallon of fuel. Twice that for break-in.

Never use a Fram filter on anything even a lawn mower. K&K is best. "Check Real World Solutions" for parts and then Racing Beat. Maybe a dealer who has been sitting on parts for 30 years. Ask for the friends and family discount. Ask for all of the parts you need. Might strike gold.

Any questions anytime.

Lynn E. Hanover 



In a message dated 8/23/2019 1:39:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Hi David;
Sorry to hear about your engine failure, but as I'm sure you've already deduced, far better to happen at home than at OSH.
   I'm not sure you're interested in cross border services, but Adam at RX7 Specialties in Calgary, Alberta is very helpful. Last time I had my engine apart I called him to enquire about having the irons lapped. He could do it but for a few bucks more he just sold me some irons that he had that were already lapped and in better overall condition than mine. Due to not having to pay to ship my old ones to him, it was actually a little cheaper and much faster.
  And for you the dollar is worth more up here, so that should offset the cost of shipping from up here. But if you choose to send your irons up here, do not ever use UPS. Any of the other couriers are fine, but UPS has very expensive brokerage fees, that are nothing short of piracy.

Todd
(when I get mad about shipping costs and exchange rates, I think about the boys down under and then I don't feel so bad)


On Fri., Aug. 23, 2019, 09:54 David COOK hoursaway1@comcast.net, <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Am in need of info., where to send my irons ( all three), to be lapped or resurfaced, (or purchase some replacements) this is a 13B so the coolant seal grooves are in the irons.  I am in Lansing Michigan for distance reference. This was supposed to be a "professional" built eng. w/aviation mods. the mods are ok, but the wear in the irons in the combustion area looks more like MANY hrs. of use. I only put 80 hrs. on the hobbs. 20 was ground testing the rest in the air.  Temps ran 190F coolant, 202F oil, pretty regular.   Lubrication was 1oz. 2cyc.oil and 1/2 oz. MMOil for every gal. fuel.  On prep for Osh. trip the next day, wanted some T&G's, runup normal very strong could not hold back with brakes, aprox. 90% throttle about foot off runway started missing, set back down and at turn off to taxiway eng. quit running, had to lean EC2 all the way to left to get started again. Checked EM2 bar graph, all in center so not fuel MAP scramble. Thinking SAG (never experienced before so don't know the symptoms)  changed plugs, no joy, tested coils, all ok, checked comp. no needle jump on 2 chambers, dissassem. found broken chunk from Apex seal rotor #2. Done crying now need to fix (short summer). David R. Cook RV6A Rotary  Lansing MI

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