Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #65054
From: Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Curved aluminum radiators.
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 23:44:52 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 Well Charlie, that cheap one on ebay is now on it's way to me to inspect, cut, experiment, etc. Even that one while it is a paltry $35 with free shipping to ya'll down south of the borderline, it came to $80 canadian pesos after shipping and exchange, but while it always sucks to throw money at something I'm probably not going to be able to use, in the big picture of this project it's not worth worrying about. The new one on ebay, for $116 would actually end up costing $221 by the time I got it. So up here when an Item is available on Amazon's canadian site, it's usually a much better deal than ebay.
  Bill, we have one motorsport salvage place here in town and they have far more snowmobile and ATV stuff than motorcycle. Snowmobiles have aluminum heat exchangers in the tunnel above the track, so nothing that would be suitable for our needs, but the newer, large side by side ATV's do have some pretty nice rads that could be made to work if needed, but for now I'm hoping this curved rad will be the ticket.
   As far as the amount of heat that the bikes put out; I consider that most of the time these bikes are not putting out max HP for long enough to overload the system. But just for giggles, lets assume that the rad is designed to cool a continuous 120hp (which is not likely) and I'm planning on on putting 2 of them in there for a total of 240hp of heat rejection. Now I doubt I'm pulling anywhere near that much out of my turbo rotary with a mild 6psi of boost, but lets just say I am. I'm only doing that for a limited amount of time on take-off and climb. And further consider that 1/3 of my heat is being rejected by the great new Fluidyne oil cooler (converted to a 2-pass) that all but completely eliminated all my oil pressure and cooling issues. So that leaves me with 160 hp worth of heat to get rid of with these 2 rads. Now consider that at best climb where I'm probably making the most heat, I'll be at ~80mph which is a high cruising speed (not top speed) for these bikes, but with a bit of effort I hope to build an inlet diffuser that can slow this airflow down somewhat. Now to further muddy the waters, the rotary does produce more heat per HP produced than a reciprocating engine so those examples given may mean nothing without a conversion to BTU's (this is where Ed would would step in and provide that sorta data)
   Will it work? Well, I just spent $80 to find out if I can fit them in there, with more money to follow if I can....

Todd           (what do people without airplanes do with all that time and money?)
C-FSTB



On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:43 PM William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Todd,
Go to a motorcycle salvage yard and ASK FOR A DAMAGED RADIATOR. They will likely let you have it super cheap since they can’t easily sell to their regular customers. You can then cut it up with no worries.
Bill Jepson

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:32 AM Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I'm considering making some changes to my cooling system as it is not adequate when flying low & slow, as on recent flights on a few hot days. I'm still using a set of evap cores as they fit the limited space on either side of the PSRU in an RV cowl.
  Bill Jepson made mention of a curved radiator earlier this summer, which as been simmering on a hot spot way back in my brain ever since. I've spent the last few days looking real hard at the idea.
The size and shape of the curve looks like it would conform quite nicely to the bottom of the RV cowl. so that the top of the rad would be perpendicular to the airflow while the bottom will curve away. This would require a new ducts to be glassed to take advantage of this, but that would allow for more time and room to slow down the airflow for greater efficiency. It would also almost double the square inches of cooling area than I currently have, however as it is thinner it would provide half of the cubic inches of volume as I currently have.
 The small thick rads I currently use were chosen more with high speeds in mind (well, and of course ease of installation), but now I'm thinking that I'd rather have a thinner rad that would perform better on the ground and in slow flight. These curved rads seem like they could offer some advantages.
  I've just found them listed on Amazon.ca for $148CAD with free shipping (x2)which seems pretty resonable, so for $300, it might offer a significant cooling upgrade.... or maybe not.
I wish I could find an old one to cut open to inspect, test weld, check for fit, etc.

Does anybody have any thoughts on the idea? I'm on the edge so it wouldn't take much to push me over, or pull me back....


Todd Bartrim
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