Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #59802
From: <Lehanover@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: damn front o-ring again revisited again again again.........
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:42:11 -0400 (EDT)
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
The front cover relief is set at 140 pounds to protect the oil cooler. But not the "O" ring junction. The pressure relief in the rear iron controls all oil pressure.
 
However since this valve is at the very end of the oiling system, all locations ahead of this valve get a higher oil pressure than the relief valve setting. Where the relief valve is in the pump, all locations after the pump receive a pressure that is lower than the pump relief pressure setting. So, the Mazda has an advantage in that regard.
 
But the lowest pressure is furthest from the "O" ring junction. So when oil is cold, or cool, the pressure may be quite a bit higher than the pop setting of the valve. The relief valve has some hysterisis and may move slowly to its pop pressure. This allows for a large over pressure between the valve and the oil pump. So, you have the pop pressure of the front relief valve and the "O" ring failing in order to save the oil cooler.
 
Reving the engine quickly from idle, or from one RPM to a higher RPM
may produce this effect. But once the engine is running and or the oil is warm the valve is sitting in its popped position and leaking oil to maintain its set pressure. So movement to control a surge in flow will be slight and fast as the vent is a series of round holes.
 
A hat section device with a flange to fit the land area about .050" or more thick with a thin walled tube to fit into the front cover gallery or even a counter bore in the gallery to fit a slightly larger tube and maintain the original gallery diameter. There will be no "O" ring to blow out. A flange of .050" or even thicker would overcome the cover from being pushed forward from shear preload. Some leakage might occur but would be minimal. Another approach would be to trim down a thick "O"ring seal washer for this job. Washers (usually aluminum) with an "O" ring molded around the hole.
 
The key will be to have a thick enough spacer (flange) to stop the cover from moving off of the land area. After May I can work on this problem.
Perhaps a test rig to measure leakage at such a fix.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
 
In a message dated 5/12/2013 12:08:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bartrim@gmail.com writes:
Hi Lynn;
My oil pump outlet is now in the front iron where there was previously a brass plug. From there it flows through a remote mounted oil filter then on to the oil cooler before returning to the engine through the original point in the rear iron (although I did change that fitting).
The front cover still contains one of the oil relief/pressure control valves while the main one is still located in the rear iron. My memory is beginning to fail as I recall that one of these is a oil pressure control valve and the other is a safety relief valve, but can't remember the details at this point.

Todd Bartrim


On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 3:05 AM, <Lehanover@aol.com> wrote:
Please draw us a flow diagram of your oiling system. So, the front cover outlet only supplies oil to the banjo fitting in the rear iron and then only to the relief valve?
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
In a message dated 5/11/2013 9:30:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bartrim@gmail.com writes:
Yes. I did this long ago, before first flight. Never had any problem with it.

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