Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #57653
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: #1 rotor cutting out
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:44:15 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>


On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM, <bktrub@aol.com> wrote:
Yes, that change certainly did the trick. I've only flown once since due to weather, but the engine runs great. First thing I did after tuning A was to copy to B before flying. Now I'm re- doing the cooling air scoop so that it doesn't look like a hideous wart underneath the fuselage. The cooling system works great, but it was kludged together while trying to arrive at a workable configuration.
Brian Trubee


-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2012 6:14 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: #1 rotor cutting out

Sorry Mark, that came out a bit harsher than I intended!   BTW,   the current 
version of the EC2/3 software (since about two months ago) now programs both A & 
B when you tune A.   You can still program B differently when running on B if 
desired as changes to B do not affect A.   

On your rotor 1 symptoms between 3800 and 5000, I was wondering if you still had 
the resistor between CAS and EC2 that you were using to try and make the Renesis 
CAS work.  If so, you might try eliminating it since you are using the original 
CAS.   That's one reason I was anxious to hear if B had the same symptom.

Sounds like the CAS sensor circuit change I installed in (Brian's ?) EC2 13-BREW  
fixed the high rpm breakup problem so anyone having similar symptoms on BREW or 
Renesis engines using the EC2 should have that change too.

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tracy,
> 
> OUCH, that hurts!  OK, here's the rest of the story.  I've changed my
> intake manifold and changed injector sizes, so I'm back to the tuning
> phase.  The B controller won't run right now as I haven't copied A to
> B yet.  I'll have to do that before I can try the B controller.
> Thanks for reminding me that I typically do things the hard way.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 3/21/12, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Trying the B controller should always be the FIRST thing to try since it is
>> the easiest.   This needs to be ingrained in all EC2/3 users mental (or
>> preferably written) engine failure check list.   Everything including the
>> coil & injector drivers are swapped out when selecting B controller.   Based
>> on the number of time I have asked if the B controller was tried when called
>> about an engine anomally I have concluded that very few builders are even
>> aware it it there : ).
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have been chasing a problem with my p-port 3-rotor where the #1
>>> rotor cuts out at around 3800 rpm, but comes back at around 5000 rpm.
>>> When this happens, I can hear a change in the exhaust, and I see the
>>> EGT on #1 drop way down to around 500*, so that's how I determined
>>> that it was the #1 rotor.  The other two rotors continue to run
>>> normally.
>>> 
>>> I have tried swapping coils, replacing the #1 rotor's plugs & coil
>>> wires, and swapping injectors.  I have not tried the B controller, but
>>> that sounds like what I should try next.  My suspicion is there may be
>>> a defective coil driver circuit in the EC-2.  I have borrowed another
>>> 20B EC-2 to try, but won't be able to do the swap until this coming
>>> weekend.
>>> 
>>> Since things have been so quiet on the list, I thought I would post
>>> this strange problem and see what suggestions others may have.
>>> 
>>> Mark S.
 
 
Mark,
  Cannot quite make out exactly what you have done to your intake but it appears you may have
done away with the slide throttle and added traditional throttle bodies with primary injectors
after the throttle plates and secondary injectors before the throttle plates ??.............I am sure
you will fill us all in if that is not correct (with more detailed photos).................<:)
 
 
Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta_"Eventually"
13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2
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