Mesazhi #56888 i Listės sė E-mailave flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Nga: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Lėnda: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.
Data: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:24:26 -0400
Pėr: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Yes, temperature sensor in particular can give misleading information at times.
 
  I remember in my much younger days heading across the desert outside of Bakersfield, Ca in and old, worn-out 1952 flat-head 8 Mercury with over 100K miles ( a lot in those days).  It had always ran hot and used water due to cracks in the cylinder head and block - well, I was head home after being in Calif for overly long.  As the sun rose so did the coolant temperature - I said to hell, with it - I'm going to run her until the engine blows.
 
Well, after a few minutes I was surprised to discover the coolant temps headed back down.  It  got down into a acceptable range and I continued on arriving safely home in Oklahoma. 
 
It was not until much later telling the story to a knowledgeable mechanic that he informed me the reason that the coolant temp went down was I had boiled out the coolant and there was none to bath the temperature sensor and air being a poorer conductor of heat than water - the temp sensor was not getting a true heat load.  The reason the engine did not blow he claimed was that it was so worn out that all the tolerances was large enough to accommodate the expansion caused by the heat.
 
So, yes, I like sensors, but I trust nothing!!!. 
 
 Anytime you hear an shut down rotary engine "ping" after a run up - you know it probably was hotter than it should have been.
 
Hope things get better for you - talk about a run of sour luck.
 
Ed

Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.

Thanks for the offer Ed ,but....uh, no.  I had been having quite a lot of fun in my very expensive winged go-cart.  However, I am once again delayed.  I had rotator cuff surgery on Friday and believe it or not, it is difficult to work on my plane with one arm (really hard to type too).  On that note, the engine seems to be running swell.  I am having some sensor problems that i will address in a separate post. I trashed my first engine due to bad sensors.  FWIW.

 

Chris


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:44 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.

Well, Chris,
 
Some of us get notoriety because of time in unpowered flight - others for their teething problems - want to swap? {:>)
 
Ed

Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:10 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.

Teething problems.....I resemble that remark....

 

Chris Barber

Houston

91 turbo 13b

Velocity SE


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:59 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.

Hi Jeff,
 
590 hours  in 12 years.  However, I have only flow a few hours in the last 3 years, mainly to  Sun & Fun and other Flyins.  Just got too busy with other things (my small business in electronics is growing)
 
I have a 1987 Turbo 13B sitting in my shop as well as various parts such as an extra e shaft, ignition modules, CAS, etc.
 
The only information I have ever seen on TBO of a rotary in aircraft use was done by a German University for the Wankle institution - and they estimate 4000 hour TBO.  Since I would have been happy with 1000 hours - I have not worried about it.  Tracy did some measurements at around the 800 hour point on his original junk yard 13B and found hardly any wear on the parts designed to wear (like apex seals).  So it appears once you have your engine set up and past the teething problems you can expect a long run time.
 
Ed

Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The rotary may live.

Hey Ed, how many hours do you have now, in how many years -  500 hrs in 10 years, something like that?

What is the likely TBO in your configuration and flight profile -  1000, 1500?

How many useable spare core parts do you have sitting on the shelf?

We had all better keep our existing engines alive and stop dreaming about 16X’s … frankly I’m surprised Mazda has toughed it out with the rotary this long.

Happily flying mine these days, approaching 60 hours …

Jeff

 

 

From:

"Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>

Subject:

Re: [FlyRotary] The rotary may live.

Date:

Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:55:51 -0400

To:

"Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Message Header 

Undecoded Message 

Thanks, Sam

 

One can only hope it will be in the not so distant future.

 

Ed

 

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

 

This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you.
Imazh
image001.gif
Imazh
image002.gif
Regjistrohu (pėr LAJME Automatike) Regjistrohu (pėr KLASIFIKIME) Pajtohu (pėr INDEKSIME) Ē'regjistrohu Shkruaji Administratorit tė Listės