Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #56441
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: How to tune with ADI?
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 08:33:21 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
The problem with Knock sensors is that they need to be able to identify  the "knock" sound characteristic of the engine you have it on.  The circuit is basically simple - the challenge is design the parameters of a signal filter that permits the circuit to properly identify (filter) the "Knock" charactertistic of your particular engine. 
 
So I would suggest that a knock system for a rotary might have different characteristics than for a piston engine.  So what might work fine for a piston engine might not work so well on a rotary.  But, on the other hand it might work fine.
 
Ed

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 3:45 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: How to tune with ADI?

Hi Dave
If you are chasing a circuit for knock sensing try:

Cheers

Steve Izett
Perth WA
On 29/08/2011, at 12:24 PM, David Leonard wrote:

Ok,  So I have the new ADI system installed and working....  I think?
 
Some of you smart racing guys probably have experience with ADI.
 
Most of the instructions that come with tuning it are directed toward car guys that have computers and knock sensors.  All they do is turn the system on and the computer allows more advance because I is not sensing any knock.  The only real advise I have so for for me is that I should be running just less than the amount of ADI that it takes to bog down the engine.  My system is a fixed flow so I don't have much choice but it seems to be about right.  If I use straight water (which I did for initial testing), the engine bogs after about 10-15 seconds of ruining the ADI system.  But when I uses a 50/50 mix of water and denatured alcohol (too hard to find methanol around here, but close enough) the engine does not bog.
 
So assuming my amount of ADI injected is about right, now I am supposed to be able to lean to better power and advance the timing a little.  But how much?  For the last testing flight I was using EGT for lack of a better guide.  When the ADI comes on, my EGT drops by about 30 deg C, and there is a hint of roughness to the engine.  I can then lean a little and the roughness clears up.  For my test flight I leaned until my EFT came back up to where I normally limit it (890 deg C).  But if I then add 5 more inches of MAP, there is still a hint of roughness even at 890 deg and I get the sense that it wants to be leaned a little more. But I am afraid to do that...  We are talking 45" MAP and 7300 RPM here (185 KTS indicated (Vne) and climbing at 500 fpm). 
 
So here are my questions:
Is EGT a useful tool here, and does leaning to get the EGT back to 890 make any sense?
Since Methanol will do such a good job at preventing detonation, is it safe to lean further toward best power (peak EGT)? (note, that will be hard on the turbo...  I need to remember to bring the spare one to Reno)
How much advance do you think i can add?  I was previously ruining 5 deg ahead of Tracy's recommended initial set up.  Can't give a number because the EC2 retards the timing with higher MAP's.  How much, I have not heard.  I can easily add one deg at a time using Ed's EFI monitor.  But without a knock sensor am really in the blind.
 
Thoughts? 

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
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