Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #54512
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Glider skills was : [FlyRotary] Re: Cooling of the BIG IRON
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:56:51 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ed, 

Yes, you've lived an interesting life (someone's obviously looking out for you).  I too had a total engine failure shortly before my checkride.  Lucky for me that my instructor was in the right seat.  We landed against the traffic at Robert Mueller Airportn (Austin's main airport), shutting down the airport until we rolled off the runway with oil pouring from the engine.  Firetrucks arrived shortly thereafter, but no fire.  Gotta love those Lycomings (...not). 

Mark 

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Actually, Mark, I think the few minutes I spent getting my Gliders Endorsement back in 1964 helped a bit - even though a long time ago.  At least that convinced no engine didn't mean you immediately fell out of the sky {:>).  But, even back then long before my rotary and experimental aircraft days, I was - lets say being flight challenged.
 
The last day of my glider training, I was running late getting to the air field and they were due to haul the glider back to its distant homebase.  I arrived just as they were preparing to disassembly it for trailering back.  The instructor was not happy at all about having to delay the process (I guess after a week in Cordell OK, he wanted to get back to Mama).
 
In any case, he told me not to bother pre-flighting the glider and to hop in and we would hook up the tow plane and launch.  Well, we did - got up to a bit above pattern altitude and cut loose.  Well, the instructor in the back seat berated me all around the pattern about using too much rudder.  So I knew he was not going to endorse my glider rating.  So sweating and a bit disappointed, I managed to "rudder" the glider onto final approach.  As we rolled out several people were running toward us.
 
It turns out the aileron locks had been installed (and not doing a preflight we obiviously missed them) and so I had flown the glider without ailerons and that was why I had to use so much rudder to get some bank.  I was later told that had I let the wings get sufficiently low, there was no way the rudder could have pulled the wings back level!! 
 
The somewhat shaken instructor decided that if I could fly a glider without ailerons - then I merited my glider endorsement.
 
Did I ever tell you about the engine-out landing I experience one flight before my scheduled solo - or about the  tailwheel falling off as I taxied out for my 1st solo flight - remind me to tell you sometime {:>)
 
Ed

Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:17 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cooling of the BIG IRON

Ed, 

Oh, so that's where you learned your excellent engine-out glide skills.  

Mark

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Ah, Yes,
 
Many a take off in the B-52 fortress ( and one in the KC-135 tanker) on a Hot Oklahoma day took a lot of water being injected into the engines to give sufficient thrust to get airborne.  In fact, failure of the water injection system on certain hot days required aborting the take off.
 
Ed

Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:07 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cooling of the BIG IRON

Well done Mr. Anderson.
 
That 50/50 mixture was also ingested by big radials in military power for cooling and anti detonation.
 
Same for early pure jets where it was added to add mass to the exhaust flow on take off.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
In a message dated 4/13/2011 10:23:40 A.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
I came across a study looking at ways to cool aircraft racing engines (for the BIG iron), makes some interesting reading as they look at EVERY way to cool a race engine including sacrificial boiling off (phase change) of an expendable liquid as well as spray bar cooling, etc.
 


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