Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52788
From: Dennis Havarlah <clouduster@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: FW: [FlyRotary] Ready to fly again
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:16:14 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I need to resize some pictures I'd like to send to the group.  I am using Windows Vista - does anyone know of an easy way for me to do this?
 
Thanks,
 
Dennis H.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:06 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FW: [FlyRotary] Ready to fly again

 

Dennis,

Could you please describe the “hump” a little better?  Are you talking about trying to turn the air in the plenum?  Pictures perhaps?

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Havarlah
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:30 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FW: [FlyRotary] Ready to fly again

 

Chris & Terria

 

My Catto 76X88 prop for the Renesis has a maximum cord of 6 ".  If yours is wider I believe it is too big for the engine.  My static was 5730 rpm  on a  90 deg day.

 

When I first started flying the rotary (three years ago) I had oil and water cooling problems - I used a home made wind tunnel 2 inches wide inserted into the cowl and blew air into it with a squirrel cage blower from a home A/C unit.  I used a manometer on the back side of the radiator to measure air pressure as the air came through the radiator.  I found I needed a good hump in the lower part of the cowl inlet to deflect incoming air evenly through the oil and water radiators.  My radiators are side-by-side.

 

You might use a GPS to compare with the air speed gages to make sure they are in the ball park.

 

Dennis H.

 

RV-7A

Renesis

RD-1C

Catto 76X88

 

 

From: Dennis Havarlah <clouduster@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Intake
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:16:40 -0500
To: samuelhodges <samuelhodges@bellsouth.net>
Sam,
 
Things are a bit busy here - 2 funerals, and now out-of-state company coupled with next week's vacation. 
 
I believe Tracy's design works because his bells are within 3/4 inch of the plenum box wall.  I believe he is getting a reflected compression wave off the wall that reenters the intake pipe it came out of.  I have not done the math but I believe the total intake lenght from rotor face to wall and back should be the same as the length sound would travel during the time period starting when the rotor closes the intake port and ending when the next intake cycle is about 3/4 closed.
 
An example would be  as follows:
 
Shaft rpm = 6300 rpm
Rotor rpm = 2100 rpm,  360 deg/rev X 2100 = 756000deg/minute.or 75600/60 = 12600 deg/sec.
The rotor turnes 1/3 of a rotation going from intake closed to next intake closed. ( on the same rotor).
1/3 X360 = 120 deg of rotation.
 
120 deg/12600deg/sec = 0.0095238sec.
But I want the reflected wave to get there about 3/4 thurough the intake cycle.  We need to back up the intake angel 1/4 of the total time the intake is open.
I don't have the intake degrees here but assume it is 60 deg.
 
1/4 X 60 deg = 15 deg. 
120 deg - 15 deg = 105 deg of rotation for the wave to leave the rotor face, go through the tube, bounce off the far wall and return to the rotor arriving when the intake is 3/4 through the intake cycle.
 
Using 105 deg/12600deg/sec = 0.00833 sec.
 
Using 1100 fps as the speed of sound -  1100fps X 12 in/ft = 13200 in/sec.
The total intake length would be 13200 X .00833 / 2 = 55 inches.
 
If you use the 3 rd. bounce of the compression wave off the plenum wall the intake would need to be 1/3 X 54 or 13.74 inches long.(most of the car engines that used tuned intakes used the 3 rd. bounce from what I've read)
 
 
If the speed of sound is 1100 f/sec.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Intake

I have been up in Michigan for awhile on vacation and the sad thing is I had to drive. Last weekend I spent hours staring at the plane and taking measurements trying to figure out how to duplicate Tracy's Intake design and how to fit it in our cowling. Tracy mentioned that he has a total runner length of 11.25 including what's in the block. Block length is close to 3", am I reading this correctly? What is driving this design is the lack of space in the forward most intake port. To reach the length of 11.25 we're looking at 8.25" of tubing from the block. I have tried various radius tubing only to find out that it will hit the cowling somewhere in the design. If I end up with a straight tube design I can fit a 7.5" tube and leave enough room for a .75 distance between the bell mouth and plenum box. This will leave a total of .75" to 1" short of 11.25", what effect it will have? I don't know. Had you had a chance to verify Tracy's design yet? I plan on machining the intake plate this weekend and fitting the tubing. I appreciate you trying to reach me but it seems we can never get in touch with one another, I'll try to call you later to see what you have come up with, take care.
 
Sam
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