Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52575
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: The Case For Turbocharging
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:47:16 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I could open them.  Read the one on Turbocharging and didn't find anything in it that bothered me.  Some good points including what we have already proven, that the Stock Mazda Turbo charger (just about any stock auto turbo)  is simply not designed for the demands aircraft use puts on it.  Also why intercooling is something that needs to be seriously considered in aircraft us.
 
There are certain benefits to be gained from a turbo - having turbocharged two automobiles back in the mid 70s, I long debated sticking one on my Rotary powered RV-6a in which I also have a turbo block san the exhaust splitters.  But, after calculating that the turbo, intercooler and wastegate would add at least 50 lbs up front and plus the fact that in my case, I would seldom use it - except perhaps for take off, I concluded there was just nothing (in my case) to justify it. 
 
Once I switched from the 2.17:1 and 68x72 prop to the 2.85:1 74x88 prop that provided the increase in take off acceleration and performance I was looking for and that sealed the decision not to go turbo.
 
However, I certainly think that those  who find benefit (or simply want to)  in turbocharging can safely do so.  Dave, John, Steve and others have shown that it can be done at a reasonable cost and relative light weight installation. 
 
A couple of things you may find and should be prepared for with a turbo installation - more power = more heat, so if your cooling system was on the border line cooling an N/A engine it may find the additional heat generated by the additional HP especially on take off something you need to watch.  Also the heat build up under the cowl can greatly increase - some folks have gone to coated exhaust systems and you should be particulary vigilant in shielding any fuel components from line of sight exposure to exhaust system components.
 
Your engine should easily make 200 HP with the turbo and you may find that your engine is a bit under-proped with the prop you have now.  I had a 68x72 and probably did not produce much over 160-170 HP and could hit over 6000 rpm in flight.
 
So looking forward to hearing about your first flight.
 
Ed

Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:40 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The Case For Turbocharging

Kelly:
Maybe I'm a bonehead, but those zip files didn't include anything readable for me....
On the other hand, I'm using a Turbo on my RV-8 prject, so I'm in as far as selecting a turbo.
I finally decided to use a turbo because of Tracy's muffler experiments. I have a Turbo engine, with the open exhaust ports, so the sound pressure is very high and would require an extra strong and tough exhaust system (heavy). So I decided to use that weight in the form of a Turbo to knock the most vicious element form the exhaust noise. I hope for a higher rate of climb as a result of the increased power potential.
I realize that all engines have a sweet spot that would be best for cruise and range, which would co-incide with the engine torque peak RPM and an airspeed less than Vne, so sustained high turbo boost is not practical or desired unless 25 gallons per hour fuel flow is expected! That's a pretty short flight with 42 gallons total fuel aboard.
I set my goals to a more attainable level, with a prop that should draw about 200 HP at 6500 RPM. It's a left hand turning equivalent of the prop for RV-8s with a 180 HP O-360 Lycoming. I have Tracy's RD-1 2.19:1 4 planet gear, so I don't plan to abuse it past the 200 HP limit he has established. I simply calculated the prop power draw 180HP / 2700RPM = 200HP / 3000 RPM.
By the way, for you prop chord measuring guys, it's a CATTO 2 blade 68x74 prop, with the greatest chord about 6-3/16" falling from 16" thru 20" in from the tip, which is right in front of the cowl cheek edge.
This last week I put the wings on and set the incidence, made the fuel tank attach brackets and fit the flaps & fairings. Now the wings are back off, getting the fairing platenuts etc.
I'm not that far from taking the whole caboodle to the airport!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sun, Oct 17, 2010 9:50 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] The Case For Turbocharging

Group,
    Perhaps of interest to those us interested in Turbocharging our projects..........It
is from the "SDS" website.............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
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