Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52471
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Permanent Magnet Alternators
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 23:28:47 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Kelly, this is nothing more than a SWAG, but one of the larger motor had these specs
 
Monster Power 160 (63M57)
 
It could handle 2700 watts.
 
At 16 Volts it would take 2700/16 =  168 amps input to generate 2700 watts.
 
So even if you assume it was only 50 % as effective as an alternator and after the voltage drop you would get across the diode array, it would appear
that 60 Amps at 13 volts would not be too wild a guess.  These motor wind at high rpms but then so doe our alternators.
 
My main concern would be whether these motor using for relative short duration flights - would provide the mechanical reliability at hours, days, weeks,  months, years of high continous rpm.  I don't think the electronics would be a problem, but not as comfortable about
 
1.  Mechanical reliability under the stress (hot engine compartments, hours of high rpm running)
2.  Cooling mechanism - I don't see any cooling fans like an auto alternator
 
But must admit 22 oz and 2.5 inches in diameter would sure make them attractive for aircraft use if my concerns are invalid
 
Ed

Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 6:39 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Permanent Magnet Alternators

Lynn,
   Any idea what amp output would be for your motor used as an alternator after diode array
and regulated to 12-14 volts ??.............
 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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From: "Lehanover@aol.com" <Lehanover@aol.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 4:50:00 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Permanent Magnet Alternators

In a message dated 10/5/2010 4:47:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, echristley@nc.rr.com writes:
Lynn, do you have any documentation stating a max RPM?

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In the tech data the KV rating times the voltage applied gives you the prop RPM per volt. Usually 11.7 or 22 volts from Lipo batteries.
 
Virtually unlimited RPM as an alternator, as no copper is moving at all. No brushes to wear out or sparking.
 
For example a 670KV motor with 11.7 volts and a medium size prop about an 11" by 6" will turn up 7,839 RPM. You can hover a 5 pound 60" wingspan plane with that. They don't even get hot. Mine was $28.50.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
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