Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52428
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Smoking Gun -Loss of oil pressure
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:38:13 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hard to say why, Chris - clearly you might think insufficient torque of the nut/bolt when it was tightened.
 
 - but, (yes, another Ed Anderson story) the immediate cause of my 12 mile engine out glide was having a fuel fitting (flop tube) nut come unscrewed inside the fuel tank after 160 hours of flight.  Now, I presume I simply did not tighten it sufficiently - but, I can't help but wonder why it held on for 160 hours before coming loose.  Could other factors like temperature  variation somehow cause the clamping forces to slowly lessen?  Wish I knew, but loctie should help.
 
From what I have heard is that due to the large surface area of the main bearings that if lightly loaded even when oil pressure drops near zero - the engine can continue to run (for a short period) without causing damage.  Now if under full throttle less time is available to catch it.  Hopefully that blinking alarm caught your attention shortly after pressure fail below your alarm limit. 
 
As others have already mentioned check the oil for metal shavings - I like to pour the oil in a clear jar and let it set for a day or so - normally the metal shavings (if any) will tend to settle to the bottom of the jar.  But, metal bearings babbit metal can become hot enough to deform/melt without necessarily leaving a lot of metal in the oil.  Also a magnet will not attract babbit material - non-magnetic.
 
If I were disinclined to tear down the engine, I think I would fix the problem, button it back up and then fire up the engine watching the oil pressure very, very closely - if the oil pressure is within 2 psi of what it was before at the various rpm points, particularly the lower rpm points like idle, taxi, etc,  then you are probably OK.  If it varies by more than 5 psi up or down, I would tear the engine down.  Just my viewpoint
 
Ed
 
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 4:57 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Smoking Gun -Loss of oil pressure

I hope I have some luck cuz obviously I am not as good as I would have liked to think :-/

I have not heard of this occurring either but hopefully my "solution" will help the problem. 

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:53 PM, "John Slade" <jslade@canardaviation.com> wrote:

Chris,
You must have been born lucky!
It's just amazing that you've found of all the things before getting airborne.

I just hope you find the one remaining item :)
Regards,
John


On 10/3/2010 2:19 PM, Chris Barber wrote:
I removed the engine on Friday. Dropped the pan today, Sunday. The first thing I saw was the spring from the pressure control valve dangling from the bottom of the engine/engine mount. Then, as now expected, the pressure control valve sitting in the pan. 

Well, to quote Mythbuster's "There's your problem.". So, now to re-read the install to see what I missed and perhaps add some Lock Tight. 
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