Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #51465
From: George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral dimise
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:40:54 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Bill,
Monty just doesn't know you mate if he thinks for one minute, that you would mortgage the house/farm on it.
George
Monty,
The saying, "My momma didn't raise no fools" comes to mind. I know all about the perils of production. With regards to Tracy, I'm sure he is a great guy, but you couldn't pay me enough to trouble-shoot customer assembled electronics! I am not looking to do even 1/2 of the things you listed, rather I just want to put together the parts needed for a good FWF Mechanical package. At that point the people can do with it what they wish. I don't want a big score perhaps just making my hobby break even.
Bill Jepson



-----Original Message-----
From: MONTY ROBERTS <montyr2157@windstream.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 3:11 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral dimise

Hey! if I wanted a bunch of passive agreement, I'd talk to myself.
 
I agree, you have to be ready to deliver before you start the press release gambit. When I can go on your website, enter my info, make a transaction and parts show up on my step the next week you will sell some parts. Once you have a track record as a going concern, maybe enough resources to field an NXT with your engine in it and spank some LYCON booty at Reno a few times. A factory demo aircraft to take people flying in, and a balance sheet to prove you aren't going to disappear with the next downturn AND you pass certification, then you can probably get in to talk to somebody at an airframe manufacturer. If that is your goal, I suggest you draw up a plan to achieve it. I think you will be stunned at how much money it will take. I think you can make a go of it making a run of parts now and then like Tracy and do OK. Ask Tracy how much he enjoys being technical support sometime ;-)
 
The wonderful thing about the marketplace (as long as there is one) is you are free to go out and prove me wrong. I would do a serious case study of all the other companies that have tried this first from a business standpoint...not technical. On the technical aspects we agree. The business....not so much.
 
I'll cheer for you. Just don't mortgage the farm on it.
 
Monty
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:08 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral dimise

Monty,
I disagree on some points, but that is life. Still my feeling is that your best bet would be in the homebuilt market. I think pushing for certification is crazy until you have customers and a track record. You're correct that you would have a tough nut to crack in the STC world. I don't think you can make a go of that EVER. I do think you can get manufacturers to install a new certified engine in a new airframe often enough to survive, just barely. I am mostly in agreement here... I think you're going to have the best luck in the homebuilt market if your engine has advantages in weight, compactness, multi-fuel capability, BSFC or power. I believe that a properly configured rotary can hit several of those. The key is to have tested the engine and FWF so that when a customer asks when he can take delivery your answer is, "When your check clears." All this years of waiting baloney just killls any enthusiam for a new product. You absolutely MUST be ready to hit the gate running or you'll never get anywhere.
Bill Jepson

-----Original Message-----
From: MONTY ROBERTS <montyr2157@windstream.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 12:54 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral dimise

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