X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4345803 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:41:32 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (mail.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.34]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A1817355A for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 07:40:54 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 86E40BEC003 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 07:40:53 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still disappointing...Mistral dimise Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:40:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CB0ADC.8496CF70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100612-1, 06/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CB0ADC.8496CF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Monty just doesn't know you mate if he thinks for one minute, that you = would mortgage the house/farm on it. George Monty,=20 The saying, "My momma didn't raise no fools" comes to mind. I know all = about the perils of production. With regards to Tracy, I'm sure he is a = great guy, but you couldn't pay me enough to trouble-shoot customer = assembled electronics! I am not looking to do even 1/2 of the things you = listed, rather I just want to put together the parts needed for a good = FWF Mechanical package. At that point the people can do with it what = they wish. I don't want a big score perhaps just making my hobby break = even. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: MONTY ROBERTS To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 3:11 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still = disappointing...Mistral dimise Hey! if I wanted a bunch of passive agreement, I'd talk to myself.=20 I agree, you have to be ready to deliver before you start the press = release gambit. When I can go on your website, enter my info, make a = transaction and parts show up on my step the next week you will sell = some parts. Once you have a track record as a going concern, maybe = enough resources to field an NXT with your engine in it and spank some = LYCON booty at Reno a few times. A factory demo aircraft to take people = flying in, and a balance sheet to prove you aren't going to disappear = with the next downturn AND you pass certification, then you can probably = get in to talk to somebody at an airframe manufacturer. If that is your = goal, I suggest you draw up a plan to achieve it. I think you will be = stunned at how much money it will take. I think you can make a go of it = making a run of parts now and then like Tracy and do OK. Ask Tracy how = much he enjoys being technical support sometime ;-) The wonderful thing about the marketplace (as long as there is one) is = you are free to go out and prove me wrong. I would do a serious case = study of all the other companies that have tried this first from a = business standpoint...not technical. On the technical aspects we agree. = The business....not so much.=20 I'll cheer for you. Just don't mortgage the farm on it.=20 Monty ----- Original Message -----=20 From: wrjjrs@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still = disappointing...Mistral dimise Monty, I disagree on some points, but that is life. Still my feeling is = that your best bet would be in the homebuilt market. I think pushing for = certification is crazy until you have customers and a track record. = You're correct that you would have a tough nut to crack in the STC = world. I don't think you can make a go of that EVER. I do think you can = get manufacturers to install a new certified engine in a new airframe = often enough to survive, just barely. I am mostly in agreement here... I = think you're going to have the best luck in the homebuilt market if your = engine has advantages in weight, compactness, multi-fuel capability, = BSFC or power. I believe that a properly configured rotary can hit = several of those. The key is to have tested the engine and FWF so that = when a customer asks when he can take delivery your answer is, "When = your check clears." All this years of waiting baloney just killls any = enthusiam for a new product. You absolutely MUST be ready to hit the = gate running or you'll never get anywhere. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: MONTY ROBERTS To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 12:54 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but still = disappointing...Mistral dimise ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CB0ADC.8496CF70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
Monty just doesn't know you mate if he = thinks for=20 one minute, that you would mortgage the house/farm on it.
George
Monty,
The saying, "My momma didn't raise no fools" comes to mind. I = know all=20 about the perils of production. With regards to Tracy, I'm sure he is = a great=20 guy, but you couldn't pay me enough to trouble-shoot customer = assembled=20 electronics! I am not looking to do even 1/2 of the things you listed, = rather=20 I just want to put together the parts needed for a good FWF Mechanical = package. At that point the people can do with it what they wish. I = don't want=20 a big score perhaps just making my hobby break even.
Bill Jepson



-----Original=20 Message-----
From: MONTY ROBERTS = <montyr2157@windstream.net>
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: = Fri,=20 Jun 11, 2010 3:11 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not surprised, but = still=20 disappointing...Mistral dimise

Hey! if I wanted a bunch of passive = agreement,=20 I'd talk to myself.
 
I agree, you have to be ready to = deliver before=20 you start the press release gambit. When I can go on your website, = enter my=20 info, make a transaction and parts show up on my step the next week = you will=20 sell some parts. Once you have a track record as a going = concern, maybe=20 enough resources to field an NXT with your engine in it and spank=20 some LYCON booty at Reno a few times. A factory demo aircraft to = take=20 people flying in, and a balance sheet to prove you aren't going to = disappear=20 with the next downturn AND you pass certification, then you can = probably get=20 in to talk to somebody at an airframe manufacturer. If that is your = goal, I=20 suggest you draw up a plan to achieve it. I think you will be stunned = at how=20 much money it will take. I think you can make a go of it making a run = of parts=20 now and then like Tracy and do OK. Ask Tracy how much he enjoys being=20 technical support sometime ;-)
 
The wonderful thing about the = marketplace (as=20 long as there is one) is you are free to go out and prove me wrong. I = would do=20 a serious case study of all the other companies that have tried this = first=20 from a business standpoint...not technical. On the technical aspects = we agree.=20 The business....not so much.
 
I'll cheer for you. Just don't = mortgage the=20 farm on it.
 
Monty
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 wrjjrs@aol.com=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 = 4:08=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not = surprised,=20 but still disappointing...Mistral dimise

Monty,
I disagree on some points, but that is life. Still my feeling = is that=20 your best bet would be in the homebuilt market. I think pushing for=20 certification is crazy until you have customers and a track record. = You're=20 correct that you would have a tough nut to crack in the STC world. I = don't=20 think you can make a go of that EVER. I do think you can get = manufacturers=20 to install a new certified engine in a new airframe often enough to = survive,=20 just barely. I am mostly in agreement here... I think you're going = to have=20 the best luck in the homebuilt market if your engine has advantages = in=20 weight, compactness, multi-fuel capability, BSFC or power. I = believe=20 that a properly configured rotary can hit several of those. The key = is to=20 have tested the engine and FWF so that when a customer = asks when=20 he can take delivery your answer is, "When your check clears." All = this=20 years of waiting baloney just killls any enthusiam for a new = product. You=20 absolutely MUST be ready to hit the gate running or you'll never get = anywhere.
Bill Jepson

-----Original Message-----
From: MONTY ROBERTS <montyr2157@windstream.net&g= t;
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Fri, Jun 11, 2010 12:54 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Not = surprised, but=20 still disappointing...Mistral dimise

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