Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #50448
From: Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo Considerations....careful, its long
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:19:07 +0000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
John, 
 
Thanks for the response.  You are one that I was hoping would chime in.
 
It looks as if I will go sans ceramic bearings unless some additional knowledge is provided.  O course, I could get a wild hair and get 'em anyway, but I may be creating another, unkown problem, not to mention a possible meaninless expense.  I don't know if any of y'all have noticed but this can be a bit expensive as a hobby <g>.
 
Yes, I followed your earlier turbo delimas.  Yikes! 
 
I agree, it is difficult to know who is a "true" expert.  Various sources, such as forums, does provide data points that may lead to solid useful information.  A conscecious is nice and provides some reassurance, but it may all be dead wrong...so to speak.  But, conventional reason can be a nice place to start.
 
I remember the discussion on the canardaviation site.  It was part of the archival research I have just been doing.  The info from rv6guy (turboguy....? or some such variation) was very useful.  Of course thread shift and downright hyjacking was/is a problem there too. (the owner of the canard community seems, as nice a guy with good intent as he seems to be on his visits to my project was particulary guilty of this....HEAR that Dust <g>....oh, I doubt he would ever visti a rotary site <g>).
 
I too was provided great reassurance by the same choice being made by the Grrls.  I have learned to have faith in their knowledge and skill.  I loved meeting them a while back when they visited Houston.  Their pressance only reinforced my trust in their ability.
 
Hmmmmm, a visit to Albany...that may be doable.  I really appreciate the offer.  Hmmmmmm?
 
All the best,
 
Chris Barber
Houston, GSOT

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of John Slade [jslade@canardaviation.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:13 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo Considerations....careful, its long

Hi Chris,
I can provide one piece of second hand information and a lot of sympathy....
With regard to the ceramic bearings, I was told that the extra expense wasn't necessary, and that the 'big shaft' had been proved to hold up on an aircraft, while no-one (he or I knew) had yet flown ceramic bearings.

On the sympathy side - I can relate to your  agony here.  After blowing two stock turbos and one modified hybrid (one of which was at 11,000' and took out my apex seals) I was, shall we say, under a little more pressure to get the decision right this time.

After studying turbo maps and specs and reading everything I could find, I eventually took the same logic on the turbo choice that I did on the engine rebuild and on aluminum welding - "this is something you learn to be an expert in over many years, not months. I do not have the time or tenacity to become a true expert in this field, and I don't wish to employ the skills of an amateur (me) .... so I need to use the skills of someone who IS a true expert." Next problem - how do you know who is a true expert and who is just claiming to be one?

I came across a turbo guy on the http://canardaviation.com forum (the initial communications should be in the archive) who was flying a turbo powered Subaru and seemed like a true expert. I think he's in Canada. He'd been "into turbos" all his life and certainly sounded like he knew what he was talking about. I gave him all my specs in terms of engine, planned flight regime and usage, and he came back with the list of goodies I now have. As with all critical recommendations, I checked with others whose knowledge I'd gained a healthy respect for. The Cozy Girrrls had independently arrived at almost exactly the same choices, except that they wanted more power at higher altitudes than me, so they choose the 9.6 aspect ratio which would provide less on take-off, but more over 18,000'. I had specified a max cruise altitude of 15,000'. Greg Richter also used a Turbonetics, but without an auto wastegate. Leon in Aussie (another true expert who used to contribute heavily to this list) agreed that the specs and manufacturers were appropriate. At that point I put all the agony behind me and purchased EXACTLY what I was told would work. Thankfully (once I put the suction on the correct side of the wastegate :) it did work and I've had no further turbo issues. The push in your back on take-off feels like a Porche. I do the take-off based on the manifold pressure keeping it below about 42 which equates to just over half throttle.  I think the late great Paul Conner said it best after flying in Dan Crugar's 0360 powered Cozy IV, then taking mine for a high speed taxi test. "Wooooo!"

You, of course, have an advantage over me - You can follow and examine my installation. The cost of a commercial flight into West Palm (or Albany after early May) would be minor compared to the value gained. You'd be welcome any time.

Regards,
John

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