I've seen these exact symptoms once before Chris. The big clue is the engine problem as soon as you go out of mode 0. It is an absolutely positive indication of ground noise. In this case the noise is so severe that the EC2 thinks it is getting Store button commands when the engine is running. It works in Mode 0 because the EC2 will not execute commands in Mode 0 when running. I worked with one builder for over 4 months trying to diagnose and fix the problems over the phone and email without success. I'm going to copy the trip report I wrote (below) after a personal visit to the project to make sure my own sanity was not slipping. It just happens to include some (but not all) of the steps that you need to look at as well as some other things that may give other builders a clue as to what other type problems crop up. The airplane was an RV-10 but composite airplanes are prone to even worse problems if the electrical system is not laid out correctly.
Tracy
On 11-16-08 made trip to Todd S. in Savanna GA
to check installation and found the following.
1. EC2 was not
grounded to airframe close to EC2 per instructions. There were 2 ground wires but they were longer than
acceptable and went to a noisy destination on electrical system. The case was electrically isolated from
ground by foam tape between it and the mounting bracket, contrary to
instructions. Could not sync up EM3 due
to noise induced communications errors.
Even without EM2 adapter in line, unit would not consistently enter test
modes (1 or 8) also due to noise. Unit
also showed a couple of instances where map table and other parameters were programmed spontaneously
due to noise. Engine would start running erratically when EC2 Mode switch taken out of Mode 0 (ground noise causing programming). Installing a short wire
to airframe eliminated these symptoms.
2. At one point in
testing, found that cylinder 5 and 8 were not firing. This turned out to be due to Blue Mountain
tach connection to the 5 & 8 coil driver which is not recommended. This shunted the signal to ground when the
Bluemountain was not on.
3. The crank signal
was measured with an oscilloscope and found to be of low amplitude and was
modulated by off center trigger wheel. The signal amplitude varied by as much as 30% (average) and 100% after the sync gap
initial pulse. Even with the engine at
highest RPM tested, the CAS signal amplitude was only +- 2.6V at the highest
point. Note, tach on plane was way out of calibration and
measured prop rpm instead of engine rpm, (not recommended). I estimate that the engine rpm was ~ 2400
RPM. This is much less than the sample
Electromotive sensor evaluated here
(Todd’s spare) which gave at
least 12 V P – P at only 1200 RPM. I
think this is due to the mounting of the sensor offset axially by approximately
.22”. This must be corrected.
4. The EC2 flow rate
was found set to maximum and even this was not enough to get enough fuel flow
at ~ 25% of available manifold pressure.
When higher manifold pressures
were eventually tested, the mixture went rich and was well within range of the
available flow rate. I determined that
the dynamic range setting of the EC2 was way too high for this particular
engine – prop installation. This is why
the customer always setting the flow rate to the inappropriate max setting
because they were setting Mode 3 at too low a manifold pressure setting,
probably due to the rough running at higher throttle. The
dynamic range was adjusted using Mode 2 and the mixture could then be well
adjusted at all tested throttle settings when using the default inj. flow
rate. Must change the default dynamic
range setting for LS-1/2 type engines and clarify the tuning procedure to
caution for this situation.
5. The one remaining
problem that remained in testing this installation was an occasional miss at
higher throttle settings. I think this
is due to the low amplitude and modulation of the crank angle signal causing the EC2 to loose synchronization. If the amplitude were higher, the modulation
due to non concentricity would not be a problem but the combination of the two
is unacceptable. It is hoped that moving
the sensors so that they are centered on the trigger wheel and making sure that the sensor gap is close
to .020” will eliminate this
problem.
Action Plan:
Configure an EC2 closer to the required injector flow rate and dynamic
range for this engine so that the builder will have a much simpler job setting
the EC2 up. See if I can make the EC2
crank sensor less susceptible to crank sensor signal modulation at even low
signal levels. Even if possible, this
does NOT eliminate the need to remedy the crank sensor mounting misalignment. Send this configured controller to Todd Swazey
to swap out his current EC2 controller.
Builder Changes Required:
1. At minimum,
install a short (< 12”) wire (16 ga or heavier) to airframe ground near the
EC2 to the EC2 ground stud. If
possible, the mounting method for the EC2 should directly ground the EC2 case
to the airframe. This is the preferred
mounting method for the EC2 but the short ground wire should still be
installed.
2. The crank sensor
mount must be modified in order to have the crank sensor centered axially
(engine axis, not sensor axis) on the trigger wheel. Crank sensor gap should be set at .020” and
should not vary by more than .003” around the circumference of the trigger
wheel. If gap varies more than this, I
recommend that the wheel be removed and machined in a lathe in order to take
the high points off the teeth (equalize the gap around the wheel).
3. I strongly suggest
that the connection to the cylinder 5/8 coil trigger from the Bluemountain EFIS
be removed. The injector driver on Pin
17 of the EC2 is a suggested replacement.
Check with Bluemountain if this is a workable solution.
4. When the replacement EC2 is received and after doing
the above changes, carefully follow the suggested tuning procedure in the EC2
installation guide. Adjust both the
Mode 3 and Mode 2 setting before doing any adjustments in Mode 1. Report results to me at RWS.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Christopher Barber <CBarber@texasattorney.net> wrote:
First, had a great time at the TRR north of Austin. Thanks to those who attended and made it well worth the time.
Now, nose back to the grindstone. I have had a number of small successes since I have built the latest engine and received my electronics back from Tracy a couple of weeks ago. Yesterday, I added my EGT probes and ran the engine on and off through the day.
I have made great strides when it comes to my cooling issues. While I was waiting for my parts from Tracy and Mazdatrix (new center iron) etc, I redid much of my Firewall aft and cleaned it up a lot and made some major modifications to my radiator and oil cooler. I added a much larger Griffin Radiator (22X19X3) and added the stock 2nd gen oil cooler in a new configeration with much more direct ducting from the Velocity's two roof mounted NACA's along with some strategically placed fans. Shazam! What a difference. Seems I can now let the engine idle indefinitely while sitting on the ramp in a hot Houston summer evening with OAT at about 80 (may have been closer to 90 before the sun set) degrees and about 80 percent humidity. Last night, the engine ran so well, that if I had to I would have taxied out and taken off.....likely a bad idea without wings or canard attached though.
My coolant stabilized at around 180 degrees (even though my reading constantly jump around a few degrees) and the oil temp was around 200 degrees. This was while at idle of around 1800 to 2100 rpm's. The engine was smooth, the Map seemed to make sense to me when I looked at the tables so I shut it down for the night.
Came back tonight, and got mostly the same results....well, not quite. As must be with ya'll the worst part of all this is intermittent results. DOH! Well, the engine is still starting damn easy. Success. It is running mostly smoothly. But, it occasionally stumbled. So,, I checked out the MAP table. WHAT? Several of the Map settings had changed. I did NOT do it. A couple of the bars were all the way to the bottom and a few 3/4 the way to the top. When I left last night ALL were straight across the middle. I have no idea what changed things. So, I set them back to where I had them and things got better, however, as I continued to run the engine, the engine did stumble at various power levels. The MAP table seemed consistent. And, of course, the "stumbles" were inconsistent. Damn. Hmmmmmm?
Now, it gets even more interesting. While in Mode 1, things seem mostly normal (other than the stumbling) HOWEVER, for some reason, when I try to put the PCM in either Mode 1 or Mode 9 the engine starts to quite. It continues to run as soon as I put it back in Mode 0. This happened once before, but other issues distracted me until it was called to my attention today. It was not happening yesterday. I know I have some wiring issues so perhaps I need to address these before I burden the list. I have had inconsistent stalling when I tried to run on only the secondary coils.
Also, it seems as if the secondary injectors are putting out some fuel even at low power settings. I suspect this since when I turn them on and off around idle there is a distinct difference in the hum of the engine. This also seems to reinforce some electrical gremlins as tonight I let the plane idle for almost a full hour.....really, a full hour <g>. I was running mostly smooth (with the aforementioned stumbles) and cool. Suddenly, after about 40 minutes, the engine started surging and seemed to not be getting fuel. I was standing on the side of the plane, so I hopped in and adjusted the mixture to no avail. I then switched off the secondary injectors and it got worse. I turned on the secondaries and turned off the primaries, and things smoothed out. I let it run a couple of minutes on secondaries and then switched back...same thing. Tried again and after a couple of attempts and playing with the mixture, the primaries smoothed out. I let it run for the rest of the hour (6 hours on the Hobbs now) and shut down for the night with mixed emotions. Happy due to the cooling but disturbed at the various anomalies
So, I need to go and find the electrical gremlins. They have a bizarre habit of undermining other efforts.
On a final positive side, it is kinda cool to have EGT's. Never had them before. Interesting to see them go up and down with the throttle. Currently they are reading about 70 degrees apart.
Now that I have had this latest build running for about five hours, thus mostly broken in per my reading of the archives, I plan to replace the dino oil for some pure synthetic. Maybe it will lower the oil temps a bit too, even though I was told on the Roundup this weekend that a 20 degree difference is considered normal by many.
Thanks for your interest and any insight you may be willing to share.
All the best,
Chris
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