Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #44666
From: Bob White <bob@bob-white.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] My Muffler experiments (long) was [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral muffler.
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:54:48 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Cc: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Ed,

I'm glad you reminded me of this experiment.  For the Alpine, I
currently I have a Racing Beat presilencer that I'm going to put in
front of a Hushpower II.  I'm not at all convinced that this system is
going to keep me from getting tickets for too much noise. :)
http://www.racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?partnumber=16404

If it's still too loud, I may add your design to see if it's
acceptable noise wise.  I have a much better chance of it lasting in
the car than you did on the airplane.  Bob W.



On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:13:21 -0500
"Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:

Contrary to intuition - two parallel mufflers actually reduce the sound less
than one of the same type.  If you have both rotor pulses going through a
single muffler you have a dominant high energy frequency (at 6000 rpm) of
200 Hz to filter.  If you have a single rotor exhaust port with its separate
muffler then the dominant freq for each muffler is now 100Hz rather than
200Hz.  The dimensions for two mufflers of equivalent effectiveness would
need to be approx twice as large for the 100Hz  pulse of which you are
required to hang TWO of these twice as larger hummers underneath to get the
same effectiveness in sound suppression as using one muffler half the
dimensions - or something along those lines.

 

So a single muffler (for sound suppression) appears to be a better way to go
- now if you are looking for power instead of sound suppression then the
story can be different.

 

Having experimented with several different approaches, the one that seemed
to have the most promise was the one in which I placed 3" diameter 1/8"
thick Stainless Steel discs.  The discs had vanes cut from the outer
perimeter down to within 3/8 - 1/2" of the center.  Then each vane was bent
approx 45 deg to the plane of the disc.  These then had a 3/8" dia hole
drilled down the center and a rod on which 5 discs were strung and first
locked in using jam nuts (don't bother trying) and later welded to the rod.

 

The idea was that the pulse in the exhaust would in effect see (straight on)
an almost solid metal disc and bounce back what pulse go through the first
disc would find a 2nd and 3rd and 4th etc, where as the exhaust gas would
fairly easily flow around the blades and through the discs - relatively
unimpeded (so the theory went {:>)).   

The first one I made I used a 2" dia tube and discs - it was tremendously
effective in suppressing the sound - unfortunately it was equally effective
in suppressing power.  So I concluded I needed a larger tube - so went to
the 3" dia tube and six discs.

 

This one I thought was really the solution (and may have been if I had
continued development) as it was very effective in suppressing the sound
(although not quite as much as the 2" tube) and I got 6000 rpm static.  Ah
ha! I thought - this is it!!! I have succeeded.  So I buckled up and ran the
engine up to 6000 rpm and launched.  The only unfortunate aspect of the
flight is that I never got over 6000 rpm static {:<(.    

I then cut the number of disc back to 4 and that appear to do the job.
However, my next flight was down to Tracy's Crook.  I was later told by a
witness to my take off that it sound like I had a turbine engine under the
cowl (more on that later).  In any case, I noticed about 20 minutes into the
flight that the EGT on one exhaust was up into the 1700 + range whereas my
normal EGT was more like 1550 -1600 max.  After landing at Tracy Crooks, I
decided to determine what the problem was.

 

It turns out that the discs in one tube  had broken loose of their jam nuts
and were free wheeling like a turbine blade inside the tube. Not only were
the tips of the discs burnished but you could clearly see the polishing
effect of their rubbing against the inside of the 3" tube.   So that
explained the high EGT on the one tube (and the turbine sound reported) the
discs were acting like a freewheeling prop and impeding the flow of exhaust
gas.

 

So I decided to reduce the number of discs down to 3 and Tracy was nice
enough to weld the disc to the rod.  Well, that seem to be the answer.  I
was getting good power and good sound suppression still.  However, the discs
only stayed welded to the rods for approx 2-3 weeks, and then I began to
find pieces of disc back by the end of the tube.  The pulse was too powerful
and were slowly beating the stuffings out of the SS blades on the discs and
they were breaking off and leaving the tube .

 

By that time the expense (and more telling - the work) of six
experimentation with mufflers had taken their toll.  I decided to have my
two tube header modified into one tube - turns out it cost twice to modify
the header   as two hushpower mufflers. So I just kept my old 10 year old
header of stainless steel pipe and put on two hushpower mufflers.  Not as
quite as my experimental design - but they have lasted.

 

So good luck folks, I'm eagerly awaiting the magic muffler design.

 

Ed

 

Ed  

Ed Anderson

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  _____  From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral muffler.

 

Dennis,  

Thanks for the suggestion, but I initially felt that the Hushpower 2 was too
heavy (10#/ea).  I used it anyway out of desperation.  So, I really don't
want to be dragging two of them around with me everywhere I go if I can help
it.  I'm ready to give Al's design a try.

 

Mark S.

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Dennis Haverlah <clouduster@austin.rr.com>
wrote:

Mark:

Have you thought of splitting the exhaust and running it through two
Hushpower's in parallel.  If you had room for this I would think it would
work.

Dennis H.

Mark Steitle wrote:

Lynn,

Thanks, I'll check the Mistral site.  At least what I'm running now is
durable, not the quietest on the field, but durable.

Mark




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