Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #38991
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: electric fans
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:14:24 -0800
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Message

Here is my experience with an auxiliary cooling fan.  For my pusher canard Velocity, I got pretty good draw through the in-cowl radiator from the negative pressure from the prop – but not enough.  I added a 10” high performance Spal fan (http://www.jaycorptech.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=11&categoryid=2) which mounted very nicely on 16 x 11 radiator.  It pretty much gives me unlimited time waiting for takeoff; and is a good way of reducing in-cowl temps by letting it run for awhile after shutdown.

 

I did not notice any decrease in cooling during flight after installing the fan, nor do I notice any difference whether it is left on, or not, during flight.

 

It’s rated at about 1000 cfm, and I find it draws about 11 A.  If I find the coolant temps above about 180F before I get cleared on the runway, I turn it on.  It is on my checklist to turn it off prior to takeoff.

 

Al

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent:
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:03 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: electric fans

 

Humm,

 

Rusty, I think a fan might be useful for ground operations, but once airborne, my calculations indicate it would likely hinder airflow more than help it.

 

Here's the rationale.

 

  Normally, duct design calls for slowing duct air velocity down to 0.1 cruise speed or 0.3 Climb speed (Horner).   So if your cruise climb is 120 MPH IAS then the air flow in the duct should (ideally) be around 0.3 * 120 = 36 MPH.  That is 36 MPH or 52.8 feet/sec. 

With a core with a face area of say 200 sq inch.  That would give 52.8 * 200/144 = 73 cubic feet/sec  or  73*60 = 4400 CFM of air flow through the core.  I personally doubt a fan would do anything more than hinder that much air flow.   If you are not getting that much air flow, then I believe attention to the ducting would be more productive than adding a fan.  But, that is just my  opinion based on back of envelope calculations. 

 

Again, for ground and taxi operations, I agree, a Fan would undoubtedly help, but I don't believe it would help once airborne.

 

FWIW

 

Ed

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:16 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] electric fans

 

Greetings,

 

I've only been skimming through the cooling posts, but I haven't seen much talk of electric fans.  I was thinking about this during my drive time yesterday, and it seems to me that we have exactly the same need for an electric fan as a car does. 

 

- Packaging limits size and location of radiators.

- Ducting optimized for normal cruise speed, fan compensates at low speeds.  

 

It would seem to me that the best situation would be to optimized your inlet and ducting for normal cruise flight, then use a fan during climb.  The drawbacks would be weight, drag, and perhaps bearing life on the fan, but the positives could make up for these I think.  

 

From what I've read, it's common to use a switch to tie the motor leads together, which keeps the motor from completely freewheeling when unpowered in cruise.   It would seem that you can reduce the drag and bearing problems that way.  I would also think a clever guy could provide a switch mode that allows you to generate alternate electricity from the freewheeling fan.  

 

Just something old to think about again. 

 

Rusty

  

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