Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #34769
From: Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Great Flight
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:39:52 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Steve (Brooks), everything Steve (Boese) said is correct & relevant but OTOH, I don't think you will ever get a truly smooth idle with your intake manifold since the primary injectors are so far away from the intake port.
 
  A common misconception is that the long time & distance will give the fuel a better chance to vaporize.  The opposite is true.  The time & distance give the fuel a chance to condense on the cold walls of the runners.  There are other factors that make this a non-optimum setup for idle conditions but that's a long story.
 
Tracy  (agonizing over autopilot choice)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: sboese
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:15 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Great Flight

Steve,

 

As I have been accumulating time on my installation, I have been trying to improve on my tuning of the fuel system also.  The system could never be tuned to be stable at any mixture setting except quite rich at any manifold pressure.  I recently reached the conclusion that maybe my primary injectors were not working properly which was confirmed by removing them and flow testing them.   These injectors had over 100,000 miles on them in the car if they hadn’t been replaced somewhere along the way.  The original secondary injectors appeared to work fine.  I obtained 2 new injectors from RC engineering and installed them in the primary positions with the original secondary injectors in the secondary locations.  The new ones are saturated disc type injectors of 440cc flow rating as opposed to the peak and hold pintle type originals of 460 cc flow rating.  The engine could be tuned much better at higher manifold pressures but still did not idle well, in fact the idle was much worse.  The original secondary injectors were then installed in the primary locations and the new non stock injectors were installed in the secondary locations.  Idle was now much better at 2000 rpm but still is a little rough below this to 1500 rpm which is as low as was tried.  Tuning at higher manifold pressures is still effective with this configuration.

 

While tuning the system on the ground this last weekend, I recorded the pulse widths of the activating pulses of the primary injectors under conditions of idle to full throttle.  Pulse widths of as low as 1 millisecond were observed at idle and just above the staging manifold pressure while pulse widths of up to slightly over 3 milliseconds were observed just below the staging point and at full throttle.  The supplier of the new injectors said that those injectors were not expected to operate reliably at pulse widths less than about 1.5 milliseconds which was also observed on the injector test stand.  The original secondary injectors worked down to about 1.2 milliseconds under the same test conditions.   The driver in the EC2 must be able to operate the injectors at lower pulse widths than the test stand since pulse widths less than 1.2 were observed in the plane with the engine running quite well.  It is my observation that in my case at least, the injectors may be operated at the lower limit of their useful range at idle and improvements to idle quality may be difficult.  Rich settings may be required to get the injectors working reliably at idle.

 

Please note that these are only my observations and in spite of the colder weather here in Wyoming, I have not seen density altitudes of less than 7000 feet yet so what I see may not have much bearing on what is observed in the real world.  Also I may just be hallucinating due to oxygen deprivation.  Tracy, of course, would be the one to consult for the best information.

 

For what it is worth…

 

Steve Boese

34 uneventful hours on RV6A, 13B NA, EC2, RD1A

         

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steve Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:56 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Great Flight

 

Tracey,

You are correct.  Messing with mode 3 in the air is not a good idea.  Also when it running good, not messing with it, is also a good idea. 

 

I guess that I just had too much time on my hands on the 190 NM trip, and had to see if I could make it better.  I’ve added that to my list of things NOT to do.

 

As far as working with a turbo, the last update that I got about 10 months ago works very well, and factory default tuning isn’t too far off.  I have to give it about 4 clicks on mode 3 toward lean to get it in at 23 MAP and 12 o’clock mixture.  Lean it a little at lower power levels, and go richer at higher power levels.

 

The only thing I haven’t figured out is how to get it to really idle well.  I have to run it rich to run fairly good, but it seems to run a little rough.  Leaning at idle makes it runs really well, just before it dies.

 

Steve Brooks

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