Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #34644
From: kevin lane <n3773@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: gauges
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:25:48 -0800
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I find it interesting that in regards to fuel in the cockpit that the general consensus seems to be the opposite of what all RVs use, i.e.. low and high pressure lines in the cockpit.  I would guess that Van gave his design a bit of a thought, considering the millions of dollars he risks in lawsuits, and has his proof with thousands of planes flying without problems.  it is my understanding that john Denver had a supposedly safe "no fuel in the cockpit" system which ignored the practical aspect of being easy to use.  I do recognize that it would be difficult in an RV to get fuel from the wings to the engine without going thru the cockpit, but with, what, 4000+ planes flying, is this a perceived problem, or a real one?  some guys squeezed fuel pumps between the wing and the fuse, but you still have to get thru the firewall.  what scared me was the T-craft, with that tank up there behind the panel.. my trainer plane leaked a bit, too.
I feel the same way about oil pressure gauges.  typically you've got a line to the sender or the gauge.(I mostly see them mounted on the firewall, not the engine block)  people think "plastic" is no good, but I don't see mine fatiguing.  some guys have "plastic" brake lines, some use AL, and some only use s/s lines.  my only experience so far with failure has been an electrical failure (alt shut down after hour of peak demands and battery had dropped to 8 volts) in which case I had no tach (had switched it to elec after drive shaft probs), fuel gauges, oil temp, but I did have oil pressure and fuel pressure, altimeter, A/S etc.....  I was also glad that I had listened to Jeff rose and kept one magneto (I was over crater lake in the cascade mtns. at the time).  so if you decide to go all electric, many do, remember it also needs electric to run.  same with EFIS, no CPU, no display.    kevin
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: gauges

 
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In a message dated 12/1/2006 9:33:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, downing.j@sbcglobal.net writes:
Some DAR's require that you have a valve and can reach it with your seat belt on.  I assume an electric one, as Ed mentioned would also do.  JohnD
The control valve could be outside the cockpit and operated by a dash mounted pointer with a long aluminum tube shaft through the firewall to the valve.
 
LYnn E. Hanover
 
Speaking of fuel valves, the original Cozy plans call for a manual selector valve mounted  between the pilot and co-pilot with lines up to the seat-back and then to the engine. This setup has several connections in the cockpit that can leak.
 
As far as a fuel shut off valve, I don't plan on using one, just turn off the fuel pumps. For maintenance I plan on ball valves out of the tank (ahead of the sump tank) and these could be remotely operated.
 
Thanks to all for the responses on the gauges questions.  I found some sources for the VDO units and will look at the suggested ones also.
 
Any suggestions on water pressure gauge senders? Can't find any yet.
 
Wendell
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