Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #3141
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbomania
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:43:31 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Bill,
 
    No, I have not.  I have thought about it on the ground, but always seem to forget in the air.  I guess part of it is that I think I have found good timing for power on takeoff and climb and just don't want to mess with that.  But, now that I think of it I presume that I could mess with the timing on the "B" controller and leave the "A" controller where it is, Hummmm. 
 
I think I will check with Tracy to make certain screwing with the timing on one processor won't screw it up on the other.  I am 99% certain - buuuttttt want to be sure.
 
I am going to put the presentation on my website (well, actually I dont' have my own, but a guy by name of Don Mack has hosted my stuff for 4 years.  Perhaps he won't mind adding some more.
 
In any case, I will probably make hardcopy for a nominal fee (cover my costs) for those interested.
 
I've actually copyrighted the presentation and officially registered it with the Library of Congress CopyRight Office. I don't know if anything similar was even done by the Mazda engineers.  We know they did a lot of cut and try experimenting.  Like for the 1990 VDIE manifold the to the 1988 NA DIE manifold and changed its length in 200mm segments and then ran dyno curves.  Then they chose the segment lengths that gave them the curves they wanted. So they may never have set down and worked out the equations - what need had they when they had the resources to emperically derive what they wanted {:>)
 
Hell, I might find little guys dress all in black swinging long sharp swords at my neither region {:>).  I might accused of industrial spying {:>)
 
Well, going to also go to SERFI at Evergreen, Al in early October.  Plan on meeting Tracy there and having him give my work a santity check.  I sort of probed Paul Lamar, but without even seeing a single slide, he started telling me that I would have a "hard sell".  I guess that is because he has "gone on the record" with an email telling folks not to copy anything I was doing manifold wise, because it would "hurt" engine performance at aircraft rpms.  Well, he was wrong, but at the time there was nothing I had to show that.  I now do {:>).  It might need a little twicking on a couple of the parameter values, but the logic and equation derivation is straight foward.  No tricks up the sleeve, no magic hats - its all laid out for anyone who can follow simple high school algebra (and even if they can't) will understand.
 
Keep trying to tell some of these folks that just because an intake system is advertised (even honestedly) that it will produce 220 HP at 8000 hp, doesn't mean that it will work for an aircraft (unless we can find a way to shift gears).  But, I went that route early on so it take some time and poor experiences to help you find the path.
 
Good hearing from you, Bill.  I am going to try and make the SWRFI next year as I have a long lost nephew living near that area.
 
Take care and good flying
 
Best Regards
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:34 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbomania

Ed,
 
Have you ever tweedled with the timing while at cruise RPM?  I didn't think to try that, but I may.
 
Unfortunately work precludes the Shady Bend attendance this time.  Rats again.
 
I am really looking forward to somehow taking in your presentation on intake manifolds.
 
Bill
 
Hi Bill
 
    Thanks for the great report.  Glad to hear the new manifold is working out so well.  Yes, that old spark plug SAG (Sparkplug Attention Getter) will certainly get your attention - ruined more than one seat cusion myself from it.  I've got myself a spark plug cleaner (if I can find where I misplaced it) that I want to use to clear some of the numerous spark plugs I have saved to see if I can't get some more hours out of them.
 
  I wouldn't worry about not matching Tracy's fuel profile - I can't either.  I can cruise at 170 TAS and burn mabye as low as 7.25- 7.5 gph but no lower.  I think Tracy can get even higher cruise TAS with 6 - 6.5 GPH.  I think part of it is the higher drag of the RV-6, but I also think Tracy has had so many long trips to play with his ignition timing and other variables that he has his really fine tuned.
 
Do you plan on  being at the Rotary Fly in?
 
Ed Anderson
 
 
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