Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #29476
From: george lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] LS1 Coil Failures
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:09:55 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ed,
A little feed-back from local after market suppliers here in Australia.
 
They don't supply after market coils for GMH (GMC) vehicles which use the LS1's as they hardly ever need replacement!
 
The GMH genuine is prohibitively expensive and it is impossible to get aftermarket, that's why we have a problem with local supply!
George (down under) 

Hummm, think I will hold off swapping my stock Mazda Coils for the LS1s sitting on my work bench until we have a better handle on the coil "problem".  Have now flow for 300 + hours and over six years with the stock coils with the only problem being the early failure of the leading module because of a resistor opening in its base. 
 
The wattage of the resistor is apparently too low to carry the load of the ignition continuously running at 6000+ rpm.  Replaced the resistor with a higher wattage one and no more problem.  At least three people have had this resistor fail using the stock coils - it may well be that the auto folks don't design for their coils to be run at high continuous rpms unlike the MSD type ignitions for racing. 
 
I wonder what the automobile circle are experiencing with their  LS1 coils - anyone know?
 
 
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: al p wick
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:57 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Coil & Alt cooling, Buly's input shaft

I'm wondering if 180f under hood is really the main cause for coil fail? Auto's shut off hot in desert, black steel hood, must see temps way beyond anything we can throw at them. You can't get those puppies to fail regardless of environment. Perhaps there are one or two other significant causes. I'd be real quick to abandon that manufacturer.
 

-al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
 
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:39:15 -0500 "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com> writes:
During my preflight tests this morning I found the third failed ignition coil in the last 150 hours so I finally got serious about dropping the temps around my coils and alternator.  
 
I've been concerned about this since the under-cowl temps are as high as 180 deg F (delta T through rads is 70 - 90 deg F).  The attached photo shows the solution (hopefully).  The alternator plenum is made from a Tupperware container pirated from the kitchen with a skirt made from sheet silicone rubber.  A 5/8" ID vinyl hose routes cool air from the oil cooler plenum to it.   ( 3/8" ID hose was tried first, not quite good enough)  This was tried prior to today's scrubbed flight and a temp probe shows that air inlet temps to the alternator are only 3 - 5 degrees above ambient.  Nice.
 
I had recently added a cooling plenum around the coils (also made of tupperware) and fed by a 3/8" ID hose but it was pretty leaky and only dropped temps about 10 - 15 degrees.  After replacing the coil today I built a better fitting plenum and fed it with 5/8" ID hose.  This one is made of space-age cardboard and I'll build a more permanent one from fiberglass if it works OK.  Will test tomorrow if wx allows.
 
Input shaft
 
Buly, got your input shaft today and checked it out.  The thrust bearing rollers & races look a little stressed but the roller cage has been completely trashed.  I do not think the .005" out of flatness on your bellhousing would explain this and the odd wear pattern on the plate.  The marks and discoloration (heat) on the bearing and shaft look as if there is misalignment between the E-shaft  and the gear drive.  When you built the plate & bellhousing adapter for the drive, how did you verify concentricity?  This is much harder to do than verifying the parallelism of the bellhousing and plate but is absolutely vital.  There is no question that the drive would have soon failed if you had continued to run it.   Glad this showed up before flight.
 
Tracy  (Happy to hear that Dave L. is safe!  Good flying. )
 

-al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
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