Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #25604
From: David Staten <Dastaten@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: lycoming O-320 / Back from Osh
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:25:41 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Tracy...
 
    If I ever get to meet you in person, remind me to give you a noogie for intentionally inducing SEVERE hypoxia. You very well DID cause some myocardial hypoxia (which causes ischemia - damage), which reflected itself in the washout of elevated cardiac enzymes. Had you had significant coronary disease you could have really screwed the pooch (pooch screwing is generally considered a bad thing, except in San Francisco, Miami Beach and the montrose section of Houston).
 
You felt like CRAP because you had stunned your myocardium (heart muscle) by being so hypoxic for so long, THEN proceded to actually exert yourself by pushing the plane around on the ground, and walking and other mundane but physical stuff. (maintaining blood flow to the brain during 3g maneuvers is a stress in and of itself). I hope you really understand how LUCKY you were. Had you not been so healthy, the outcome could have been much worse.
 
Lesson 1: Use oxygen. The FAA's rules on oxygen useage are there for a reason, and most of their rules have been written in blood. The blood's donors are usually not around to be thanked for their contribution to rulemaking

Lesson 2: High altitude air is dry. You WILL dehydrate at altitude. Oxygen, when used, is even drier than ambient air, and worsens this effect. Take water. If you arent having to go to the bathroom at the end of a 4 hour trip, you havent drank enough water.

Glad you had good high altitude performance.. Now, how about making sure the plane and pilot are IFR qualified, so you can do some real high altitude performance testing.

Dave Staten

Tracy Crook wrote:
Really baffling set of test results Kevin.  I am sort of curious what the actual fuel flow is at 1500 rpm where the engine will run.  It should be a low number like maybe 3 gph or less.  The power to turn a fixed pitch prop is a *cube* function of rpm, not linear.  These tests were with prop on I assume.
 
Also surprised at the temps still going up at 1500 but that may be normal for rebuilt Lycs.  What was CHT at 1500 before overhaul? 
 
Back from Osh (great trip, 7 rotaries there) after an eventful return flight.  Entire state of Georgia was under a big dome of clouds with MVFR conditions below.  I made the decision to go on top which was at around 12,500 ft when I reached edge of cloud cover at north end of Ga.  Had grand view of weather and could easily navigate around thunderstorms that had buildups into FL 40.  Bad news was that top of cloud cover kept rising as I flew across Georgia and eventually reached 18,000 ft by the time I reached the southern edge of cloud cover near Florida border.  Did I mention that I have no Oxygen on board?
 
  Had one exciting moment when I encountered one of those very thin gauzy looking cloud layers at 18,000.  Not wanting to break into Class A airspace I descended through it figuring I would fly in the 200 foot gap between it and the cloud layer below for the few minutes it would take to get past it. The canopy (and wing too I suspect) immediately started accumulating ice.  Class A here I come, I'll deal with FAA if I have to.   By the time I spiraled down through closely spaced thunderstorms in Florida I had spent about 2 hours between 16 and 18 thousand feet.  It was a fairly high stress period.
 
Shady Bend was under a thunderstorm by this time so I diverted to Lake City and landed.   It was hot, I was dehydrated from not drinking enough water and the 3 G spiral down through the clouds added to the discomfort level.  Nevertheless, I felt OK at touch down but by the time I taxied to the FBO I felt violently ill. I assumed it was the hypoxia and heat exhaustion (had that back in Army days) but Laura was concerned that the symptoms could be heart attack.  Went to hospital and blood tests showed slightly elevated enzyme that indicates possible heart attack.  Great.  Now I am obligated to go through the whole drill (cardiac catheterization)  to prove it was not a heart problem if I wanted to keep my pilots license.  Test came out good (cardiac guy said arteries clean as a whistle and hopes his heart looks that good at 57).
 
The plane was magnificent the whole trip and did anything I asked of it.  Still had respectable rate of climb at 18,500 (who needs a turbo?), engine never skipped a beat, burned 101 gallons in 17.1 hours of flight (includes taxi time) so fuel burn averaged about 6 gph.  Glad to be home.
 
Tracy  (belatedly ordering Oxygen system)
----- Original Message -----
From: kevin lane
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:15 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] further testing - -lycoming O-320

my engine continues to baffle me and everyone else on the airport.  I would send it to a mechanic, but I've spoken with all of them and they have no ideas either.  it continues to look like fuel starvation, but no gauges support this theory.  it runs at 2150rpm, burning 11.5-12.3 gals per hr, 3 lbs fuel pressure, for about 2 minutes then stumbles(and will die unless I reduce the throttle to 1500rpm.  )the stumbling  occurs when cht's are hitting 375 - 410.  continued running at 1500 allows the cht's to climb, so I have to shut things down.  the same behavior occurred when I flew the plane the first two times (until I realized I could duplicate the problem on the ground)  I have a new carb(ma4spa) and 4 rebuilt cyls (on which I am attempting to set the rings, unfortunately)  if I run the engine at less than full rich the engine won't stumble before temps hit 400+ and I have to pull power.
I bypassed my fuel filters with no difference.  I installed new filters that have a core of little brass balls stuck together and seemingly much better flow than the other filter(no angles either, just straight flow)
I cleaned and backflushed the fuel pickups and vents, ran with the gas caps off(no diff).  my fuel flow is not changing(until it sputters back to 1500rpm), so my idea that the carb bowl was slowly not being refilled doesn't show up.  the same problem existed before I had the cyls rebuilt and welded, so I doubt that stuck valves/weak springs are to blame.  also, that would show problems from the start, not a few minutes later.
everyone wants to blame the electronic ig.  switching between mag and elec.  during the first minute shows no diff.  switching after it starts to falter shows no diff.  pulling back to 1500rpm after falter shows no diff.  I can't believe I have a spark or timing problem because there are no times when one works and the other doesn't.  my slick mag is brand new also.  I haven't tried new plugs yet, the current ones are new, although I've heard many stories of bad new plugs (hey, what do you want for $20?)
my 1" dia. cheapy van's fuel pressure meter is now showing 3 lbs.  I removed the pressure regulator.  in the past it used to show 8lbs pressure (hence I installed the regulator)and my carb showed signs of leakage which is one reason I replaced it.  I have no idea why it shows only 3 lbs now.  I tried plumbing the carb directly from a gas can.  I forgot to switch the fuel line off and shot fuel clear out on the wing when the engine started.  I would guess that the mech. fuel pump is working correctly.  the facet elec pump will pump about 1 gallon in 2 minutes when pumping into a gas can thru the mechanical pump.  it makes no diff. if I run the facet or not.  I have bypassed the mech. pump and run just with the facet, no diff., in fact, when I shut off the facet the engine still runs until the bowl burns down, maybe 30 sec.?
it is hard to believe that both the auto plugs and aero plugs are simultaneously failing due to heat.  I could fly the plane at less than full rich to see how long it would fly I suppose, but that seems unnecessarily risky.  I've had two "lucky" flights so far.
I checked for induction leaks(pressurized and soap solution) and found nothing.
    I am out of ideas.  this problem is just kicking my butt.  hopefully one of you guys will spark an new idea or theory for me.
Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net
 
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