Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #21232
From: <sqpilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: fuel pumps/forced landing
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:42:48 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Message
Hi, Ed.....Yes, I have two MSD fuel pumps. They are not on the same circuit, and each one has a 20 amp fuse.(which will very soon be replaced by a circuit breaker that I can reset from the cockpit).  Once I was downwind, I turned the right pump off. Shortly thereafter, the engine quit. I tried different throttle settings as it was failing, but it was too late. Turned on the other pump, but the engine had already quit. (yes, it happens very fast)  I then focused on flying the airplane and making the runway, and postponing the troubleshooting until I was safely on the ground.  (Later on the ground, found the fuse blown on the left fuel pump).  By turning off the right fuel pump (which was working), it was unable to continue running with the left pump that had a blown fuse. Don't know why the fuse was blown yet. I also checked the gascolator and screen, and found very little sediment. There was, however a piece of rubber in the bottom of the gascolator that appears to be the inside of a rubber fuel line, that may have been a product of installing the reuseable fittings. I understand that sometimes when inserting these fittings, a "flap" of rubber can obstruct the fuel line. This is what it appears to be.  We ran the pump on the ground, and only a small amount of fuel came out the main fuel line that I disconnected from the fuel rail. Upon reassembling the gascolator and turning on the fuel selector, the gascolator did not fill with fuel. (gravity fed, all downhill from the fuel tanks).  We blew into the hose, and then the gascolator filled with fuel. Seems there was some type of restriction somewhere in the line upstream of the gascolator. I need to remove all fuel lines and inspect for debris. I also had planned on pumping all of the fuel out of the fuel tanks using the high pressure fuel pumps....that's when I realized that they only run a few seconds after turning on the key, then shut off with no engine rpm input. I don't know if the obstruction caused the fuel pump fuse to blow or not.
      I now recall reading in the MicroTech manual that the fuel pumps shut off if it detects no spark from the coils, so that it would not continue pumping fuel into an engine that has no spark. This is obviously why the pump only runs for a few seconds when I first turn on the ignition switch, then quickly stops pumping. We put a voltmeter to the inline fuse, and found that it had 12.9 volts as soon as the ignition was turned on, but after a few seconds, the pump stopped and there was no longer any voltage at the fuse.
    I'm hoping we can find what caused the slight fuel obstruction in front of the gascolator....if we can't find the cause, it would be difficult to regain confidence in the fuel system. Too bad, because the engine was running strong and smooth, and the temps were great!!!  Paul aka deadstick Conner
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 6:30 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's new rotor housings

Paul,
 
Sorry to hear about the fuel pump - Did I ever mention I NEVER use fuses for flight critical components - always circuit breakers.  More fundamental though is I assumed you were flying with two fuel EFI pumps.  I have two and both are on for take off and landing, strongly recommend two EFI flue pumps!  Strongly recommend don't fly with just one operational pump!  OR are you telling us that you have two pumps, but both pumps were on the same circuit??
 
But, enough, great to hear you are becoming an accomplished glider pilot - keep doing that and you are going to catch up with someof the rest of us - which you probably really do not want to do.  Glad to hear you made it down safe and sound. Look for more details on the incident.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's new rotor housings

Good luck Rusty (with both the flying and the Dominator/single rotor).  I did fly today, good news/bad news.  Flew without the thermostat and temps were great. Climbed like a rocketship and temps never went above 165 until the engine quit.  Fuel pump fuse blown, and a wiring problem.  Will address it on another post.  Made an uneventful deadstick landing on the runway, made the first turn-off, but didn't have enough speed to coast all the way to my hangar....had to push it the last 200 feet.  Paul Conner
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:56 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's new rotor housings

Paul Conner, flying tomorrow (temps should be around 80 degrees and sunny in Mobile, AL).  Maybe I'll look across the bay and see Rusty in the air.   
 
I'll be there.  I'll be the one circling 2R4 and pissing off the Navy :-)  
 
Seriously, I have lots of things to do on the plane, but I think I've scrapped all that in favor of just flying it tomorrow.   My number one priority right now is getting the Sonerai engine running, and the airframe cleaned up, so I can sell it.  By as early as next weekend, I should be the owner of that Dominator I sent you pics of.  Just add rotors and a single rotor engine :-)  
 
Rusty (and a drain for my garage)
  
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