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A typo in my original message
.....apparently just set the pressure
high - like 65psi and use an
intake regulator to keep it at that pressure.
......
The sentence should read .... like 65 psi and use
an in-tank regulator to keep it at
that pressure........
Ed
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Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:45
PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: More on Header Tanks,
Venting & Pressure Reg Position
> Ernest, > > Looks like a well thought out design.
I believe the secret is keeping all > fuel lines likely to accumulate any
significant amount of heat from the > engine/exhaust/etc highly
pressurized. That is the way the recent > "returnless" automobile
EFIs are keeping vapor lock from happening. Some > have a ECM
function which rapidly changes the fuel pressure to compensate > for
certain variables they do not even require a pressure regulator, Others >
apparently just set the pressure high - like 65psi and use an intake >
regulator to keep it at that pressure. > > Ford converted the 4
cylinder trucks to a returnless fuel system in 1998. > This system uses a
single high-pressure pump in the tank, and an in-tank > pressure relief
valve that opens once fuel line pressure reaches 65 psi > controls fuel
pressure. Excess fuel is released out of the relief valve and > back into
the tank. Fuel moves from the pump through a single plastic line > to a
filter mounted on the driver's side frame rail, then up to the fuel > rail
on the intake manifold. Lines in these systems use all spring-style >
connectors. This system will not allow fuel rail pressure to exceed 65
psi > because of the pressure relief valve, so if your planned boost
levels are > going to put your needs above this level, you'll need to
convert to a return > style fuel system. > > Page 2 of
this pdf has a diagram of the Toyota returnless system as well as >
a description. > > http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h42.pdf > > A description of the Neon returnless system >
> Here's the basics. > > a.. How the System is
designed to work: > a.. The Neon uses a returnless fuel
system, fuel is pumped up from the > tank to the injectors without using a
return line. This means that all the > fun stuff like pressure
control is handled under the middle of the car at > the fuel tank. >
b.. The fuel pump is mounted in the tank and pushes fuel up
out of the > tank at a full 130psi. There is only one pump unlike a
lot of EFI systems > which use a "lift" pump to get fuel out of the tank
and then another to > boost the pressure up to spec. >
c.. In all 1st generation Neons and in the PL2000 until the
2001 model > year the pressure at the fuel rail is regulated at
49psi. The regulator is > always fitted in or on the tank at the
pumps outlet. > d.. For the 2001 models (and across the
whole Chrysler range) the fuel > pressure was bumped up to 58psi.
Apparently there were no other changes > made so it is possible to swap
regulators. > e.. All the fuel systems have a in-tank
filter mounted to the end of the > pump. This is known either as an
inlet strainer or as a fuel filter. It > can be changed - but you
will need to drop the tank to change it. Here's a > pic taken by
Emilio and posted to the Neons.org boards. The part number for >
this filter (well for a 1999 DOHC but they all interchange in PLASTIC
TANKED > cars) is "04897416". > > You'r moving along
rapidly > > > Ed A > > > >
> Ding! Ding! > > Class is now in session. I have my pen and
paper in hand, ready to take > > notes. > > > >
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