Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #12349
From: William <wschertz@ispwest.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: nylon EWP's
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:21:07 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Message
Okay,
A year or so ago I posted a graph of measured 13-B water pump performance. I am enclosing it again with this post. Several points to be made:
 
1. The water pump is on the engine, so the pressure indicated on the Y axis is the pressure that is left over to push the water through the radiator cores.
2. The measurements were made with 3 different size pulleys, to vary the water pump speed.
3. At no flow, the pressure on the Y axis is the maximum pressure that the pump can supply. At zero pressure, max flow, all the available head pressure from the pump is taken up by the pressure drop through the block, and there is no more pressure to force water through the radiator.
4. Looking at the charts, you can see that at a flow of 20 gpm, the pressure drop across the core is 5 psi, at 33 gpm the drop across the core is 8.5 psi, and at 44 gpm, the drop across the core is 19 psi.
 
At a later date, Barny located the full flow (no pressure) and zero flow (max pressure) points for the Meziere pump. Dead head pressure was 10 psi, and full flow was ~55gpm. These numbers did NOT have the pressure drop across the core included.  Tomorrow I will forward a graph with this information overlayed on this chart.
 
Based on these TESTS,  and the CLAIMED performance (by the manufacturer) of the EWP, I calculate that you can get ~ 20gpm max through an engine core combination. If you need more you will start to have heat extraction problems.
 
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
-- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:45 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: nylon EWP's

 

 

Subject: [FlyRotary] nylon EWP's

 

I'd like to hear some more comments about nylon vs. AL EWP's.  should I be satisfied with "well, Leon uses them" and ask no more?  the nylon pumps seem light enough, 2 lbs., that they could be supported simply by their rubber hoses, which should make a good vibration damper. (I don't really know who Leon is, although I get the impression his word rates right up there with Tracy's) the nylon ones only push 20 gpm, whereas the AL claim 37 gpm.  I have no idea what my 20B will require.  I would be using 2 in series.

 

Two in series may not give much more flow than one; depending on the back pressure vs the pressure at which those flows are based. If those pumps are rated flow at 0 pressure, it is likely that even the AL one is marginal.

 

I’ve done the math on the 20B.  The flow requirements depends on the cooling system design (obviously); but if you were to design for a sort of optimum system for an aircraft, you’d like to have 20 – 30 F temp drop around the loop when you are running about 85% power, say, 220 HP.  So for a 50/50 EG/water mix, and 25F delta T; that says 39.5 gpm.  For pure water the number is 28.5 gpm

 

The only real data I have on my pump is from the dyno runs.  That showed 43 gpm at 5000; 48 at 6000.  That is without a thermostat, and on a large capacity system with presumably relatively low back pressure.  25-30% less with a thermostat.  Unfortunately, I don’t know what it is on the airplane.

 

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