Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #10644
From: Mike Robert <pmrobert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EM-2 MAP readings
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:54:21 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Barnhart wrote:

Rusty,
 
Also going with a TWM  TB, the model 3003.  Setting it up for one injector per rotor.  Going with 72 lb injectors and 57 mm bores.  Not flying yet. Hope this may help. Will try to bring it down to Tracy's in October.
 
Barny
MGDQ 20bt

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Russell Duffy <mailto:13brv3@bellsouth.net>
    *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
    *Sent:* Friday, August 20, 2004 7:14 PM
    *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: EM-2 MAP readings

         Thanks for the comments Mike.  I agree, and think it would be
    difficult for the TB ports to read accurately at high velocity.     That being said...
         I just hung up with TWM, and they believe those ports are
    completely accurate in their TB.  He asked what size TB I
    had, what engine, and about what HP I thought it was capable of.     After hearing all that, he said my 42 mm bores were simply too
    small, and that I'd need at least 45's.  When I pointed out that
    my runners were only about 42 mm, he basically said "start over"
    :-)   He did mention the possibility of adding a crossover tube
    between the two runners, to allow one to steal from the other, but
    I probably wouldn't do that unless I was committed to building
    another intake if it didn't work.

Hmm, Weber was pretty much upfront with the fact that their TB ports were only for balancing idle and shouldn't be relied upon for accurate readings at any sort of power setting. Perhaps the TWM port  is placed differently than the Weber TB. IMHO, I think your 42s should do just fine at the revs you're turning. In fact, I think the intake charge velocity created by the 42mm tract may help you. I have info here (not in the attic!) reference intake VNE as well as a link to a calculator for gas velocity in a pipe. The link is http://not2fast.com/gasflow/velocity.shtml - you'll have to do the metric/English conversion thing but the math is sound. I'll post the gas velocity  thing later when I can get to the info. I want to say 600 f/s but will confirm.

         BTW, he guessed right off the bat that it was on an airplane, and
    he mentioned that he really wished we wouldn't put their TB's on
    airplanes, because it made him nervous.  I assured him that I
    wouldn't sue him, and that his TB was higher quality than anything
    I could cobble together, so he was actually increasing my chances
    of survival :-)           At the moment, I've decided that I just don't know what's going on
    yet :-)  My only benchmark is Tracy's 6200 RPM at 120-130 mph in
    climb, so I'll see how I compare to that this weekend (weather
    permitting).  I'm also convinced that the engine is producing more
    power than before, due to the rapid rise in temps now, so I'll
    also take a look at climb rate, and top speed at whatever altitude
    I can get to with the clouds.  Heck, maybe I'm worrying about
    nothing.

The real world is the ultimate determinant. Amen!

         Maybe Ed will hurry up and get his conversion done so we can get
    some more data.  He's probably lapping his input shaft now (which
    sounds a little nastier than intended) :-)


!

         Cheers,
    Rusty (maybe an ankle weight on my right leg)                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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   -Mike

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