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Nga: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Lėnda: Re: [FlyRotary] coolant temps
Data: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:58:10 -0400
Pėr: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Marvin, From what I can see looking at the characteristic of the NPG is that whatever advantages it conveys, it has a  reduced specific heat (heat carrying capability) compared to water or a 50/50% mix.  Lower by approx 29-34% than water and 13 -20% less than the traditional 50/50 mix.  That being the case, the NPG must operate at a higher temperature (assuming flow rate is unchanged) to carry away the same amount of heat per unit time out of the engine.   For example if water carried away 100 BTU of heat per unit time at say 200F, then at the same flow rate  the NPG temp would probably need to be closer to 230F to carry away to same heat quantity at the same flow rate. So I am not surprised to see elevated temps over water or 50/50 mix.
 
Interesting to see that its viscosity is much higher than water - any affect on pump energy required??Flow rates?
 
So for your project (recip engine?) which  can with stand a higher operating temperature than the rotary, it may be suitable particularly if concerned about corrosion of the magnesium- but you will see higher coolant temps.  So what you are seeing in temps is probably not unreasonable. 
 
Thats my take on it.
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
 
 
COMPARISON OF COOLANT PARAMETERS
    Water 50/50 EGW Evans NPG Evans NPG+
           
Boiling Point   121° C (250° F)
(1 atm plus 15 psig)
129° C (264° F)
(1 atm plus 15 psig)
187° C (369° F)
(1 atm plus 0 psig)
191° C (375° F)
(1 atm plus 0 psig)

Viscosity          
    10° C (50° F) cp 1.2 5.0 115 58
    80° C (176° F) cp .37 1.0 4.5 3.7
   100° C (212° F) cp .28 0.7 2.8 2.3
 
Density          
    20° C (68° F) spec grav 1.00 1.066 1.038 1.091
    20° C (68° F) lbs/gal 8.32 8.87 8.64 9.08

Specific Heat          
    80° C (176° F) Btu/lb/°F 1.00 0.81 0.68 0.64
   100° C (212° F) Btu/lb/°F 1.01 0.82 0.71 0.66

Heat of Vaporization cal/mole 9,700 9,800 12,500 12,050

Vapor Pressure          
    80° C (176° F) mm Hg 360 270 8 6
    80° C (176° F) kPa 475 360 11 8

Surface Tension          
    25° C (77° F) dyn/cm 72 56 36 44

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Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Kaye" <marv@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:28 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] coolant temps

> I've got a question regarding coolant temps I hope some of you can help with.
>  We've been running the Eagle540 recently, getting ready for that impending
> first flight.  Our installed instrumentation on the coolant side is located on
> the higher pressure, high temp engine outlet side of the coolant circuit...
> the flow comes out of the top rear of the engine to the thermostat housing.
>  Temp sensor is installed in the t-stat housing.  From there it goes through
> the firewall and down to the radiator, then returns back through the firewall
> and on to the water pump.  The water pump forces the coolant into the block
> and the circuit is complete.  We are not running 50/50 water/anti-freeze
> because of the magnesium components... we are running straight Evans NPG.
>  During recent runs (engine RPM about 2000RPM, the rev limiter is set at 3800,
> so we're just over 50%) we're seeing the high temp side over 230 degrees.  NPG
> doesn't boil until somewhere around 400, but we obviously don't have any
> desire to operate at that kind of temperature.  For those of you who are
> instrumented both before and after the radiator (evap cores, whatever) what
> kind of temperature spread are you seeing?  I suspect I'll eventually be
> instrumenting the cool side of the circuit, but would like to know what to
> expect on the hot side.  If we're seeing a 40 degree delta across the radiator
> (I imagine) is 250-260 considered too hot as a redline for the hot side?  (Our
> oil temps are very well behaved, we still haven't exceeded 150 on the oil cool
> side and TITs are running 1350-1400 at these reduced power levels... sounds ok
> to me, but what do I know?)  TIA for any info you're willing to share.
>
>      <Marv>
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