X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.200] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTPS id 6732284 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:33:08 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.200; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.85]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id ACB99701DFE13 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.207]) by mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7217938000081 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com Full-name: Sky2high Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:32:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 360 Service ceiling To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ae12b.57b67bb4.402f74f0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.7 sub 2039 X-Originating-IP: [67.175.156.123] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1392384752; bh=c5njVAS0X8jAKaZ0p2tMSVtyCIUPnxzVDTD7dVuaRa4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WE76hN4mGkJ8cDV5pSN8ExuCvO7etl7gsZvpDn52AF93GZw3Cze+lN567BLrquhfT yEUqGUb8TsVM9MQVrsSPBnvu2Tf5ZlQq5r//oWOGlQi4OxVDhgkGzLjp6TNpEOKKWW YtseKD0IKLhDa3UBAQKNVKyQ+oNj1K7tRFp8QB7U= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd5552fe1af02016 --part1_ae12b.57b67bb4.402f74f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, Grayhawk forgot another factor - When the KIAS drops below 130, one should consider taking the flaps out of reflex and that will definitely lower the deck angle,but drop the IAS further. Ah, if I still had my small tail, fwd CG, Hi CR, injected EI 320 with AOA, I would run out and perform some additional experiments. Drat! Grayhawk PS, The wee plane loved to operate betwixt 7000 and 15000 MSL (ideal 9-12) and occasionally operate at 16000 or 17000 - Mountain High pulsed O2 delivery system for improved human performance. In a message dated 2/14/2014 6:54:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, n20087@yahoo.com writes: I have had mine to 17999 with no issue with stability. Also recorded personal best ground speed of 278kts with an horrendous tailwind at that altitude. My climb rate was in the 250 range at that altitude. The biggest issue I encountered was poor engine cooling. Once past 13k in sustained climb the temps began to elevate because of higher deck angle and thinner air. Unless you are built real light I would say the practical ceiling is 15k with o2 of course. My engine at the time ran approx 195hp. Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:01 PM, _Sky2high@aol.com_ (mailto:Sky2high@aol.com) wrote: Angier, A friend with a blue-printed 360 (200 hp?) decided to stop at about FL21 because aircraft stability became an issue. Grayhawk PS limiting factors at FL18 is proper O2 mask and supply, instrument flight plan filed, proper transponder, etc............ In a message dated 2/13/2014 3:49:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, _N4zq@verizon.net_ (mailto:N4zq@verizon.net) writes: What is the practical service ceiling with a 180hp IO360? Years ago I was told you are there when the rate of climb drops to 100ft/min of less. How high will it go? Frost bite might be the limiting factor? :-) Angier Ames N4ZQ -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --part1_ae12b.57b67bb4.402f74f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Uh, Grayhawk forgot another factor - When the KIAS drops below 130, on= e=20 should consider taking the flaps out of reflex and that will definitely low= er=20 the deck angle,but drop the IAS further. Ah, if I still had my small tail, = fwd=20 CG, Hi CR, injected EI 320 with AOA, I would run out and perform = some=20 additional experiments. Drat!

Grayhawk

PS, The wee plane loved to operate betwixt 7000 and 15000 MSL (i= deal=20 9-12) and occasionally operate at 16000 or 17000 - Mountain High= =20 pulsed O2 delivery system for improved human performance.

In a message dated 2/14/2014 6:54:18 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 n20087@yahoo.com writes:

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I have had mine to 17999 with no issue with stability. Also=20 recorded personal best ground speed of 278kts with an horrendous tailwind= at=20 that altitude. My climb rate was in the 250 range at that altitude. The= =20 biggest issue I encountered was poor engine cooling. Once past 13k in=20 sustained climb the temps began to elevate because of higher deck angle a= nd=20 thinner air. Unless you are built real light I would say the practi= cal=20 ceiling is 15k with o2 of course. My engine at the time ran approx 195hp.= =20

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:

Angier,

A friend with a blue-printed 360 (200 hp?) decided to stop at abou= t=20 FL21 because aircraft stability became an issue.

Grayhawk

PS limiting factors at FL18 is proper O2 mask and=20 supply, instrument flight plan filed, proper transponder,=20 etc............

In a message dated 2/13/2014 3:49:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, <= A=20 title=3Dmailto:N4zq@verizon.net=20 href=3D"mailto:N4zq@verizon.net">N4zq@verizon.net writes:
What=20 is the practical service ceiling with a 180hp IO360?
Years ago I w= as=20 told you are there when the rate of climb drops to 100ft/min of=20 less.
How high will it go?
Frost bite might be the limiting=20 factor?

:-)

Angier Ames
N4ZQ
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