X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.229.71] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0) with ESMTPS id 5960361 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:21:46 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.229.71; envelope-from=bu131@swbell.net Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2012 14:15:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.67] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2012 14:15:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2012 14:15:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 464445.92054.bm@omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56197 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2012 14:15:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=StXIOgoHmXstg2f7PVdjiWIsknjmDqP5Cnm8FSlrlMkBpdji89e/LPdaXKTN3cSCnz8aqsyUIa9y+0crr9BwwzeALM+Txa7Ly0zvnfN9buvqEmlGXH9IAoUWmuTQJ98ROH5Upn7/O4IjjWp+249V1ZV7X2hEBuOckoEavFwvlGE=; X-YMail-OSG: RzoSufcVM1lADMMdPgNb01mj6rOsnZJPOh3YCLl7O0568cO 5cv2ZQHKjUH0ejGv5Ald4oIn7SxmejSR_kq1MzZP6ov7vWfuwpY8tRruRLVu rM.gYUEWxUYh7b_DbGsgdYhVSWAx.CqOCJH0CCNRqvrHkOGEVB7UuMhhBY.x hJg_HxLMhA4PzWoVpu1dLf5mFkgff8IqRv8qUS8qwqHX1zriVvk7yInvIYIj umTKmavZQ4_wJoY9Y2GCYcjdYPXxADXoHGWejPuHpn4e2CwndY5dhQZBEHNy q9n1uxY3x3AJdPOAo8mJsMdmYvMhPHPweOEnmsKR2jk2F7C7LuhAOueG1Ai2 XJTU7nwXfgw5uAiH6tzAEYqrovYG.Rw5OXsUVt1Yk181HFYSZn_RctLbbyHH vizsaSDBPEtj_pqjQcGfLQqxUJSyDS8hpfdo18BwGioezx1qpwglAceoeVmX ssqzNx6_QdeO4BIupILtE8xCWYzFwZ2G5tAyeklD.yQRPZ5t6bQqYEstYzlN 9cgj3WM_QFqZdHNnm_egmTcFgpKVy8RrfmIl__3y_no3gcg-- Received: from [208.189.200.2] by web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:15:05 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,aGVhciwgaGVhcgphbHNvIGkgc2hvdWxkIGFkZCB0aGF0IGlmIHlvdSBoYXZlIGEgYm94IGNsb3NlIHRvIHlvdSwgaXQgdGFrZXMgMjAgbWludXRlcyBvZiB5b3VyIHRpbWUgdG8gZ28gb3V0IGFuZCBnZXQgaW4gc2hhcGUKaW1hZ2luZSBwbGF5aW5nIGdvbGYgaG93IG11Y2ggdGltZSB5b3UgbG9zZS4gSW4gMjAgbWludXRlcyBvZiBwcmFjdGljZSBteSBoZWFkIGNsZWFyIHVwLCBpIGdldCB0aGUgZHVzdCBvZmYgdGhlIHRvcCBvZiB0aGUgd2luZ3MsIGZpbmQgdGhlIGNyZWRpdCBjYXJkIGkgbG9zdCA2IG1vbnQBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1356012905.34010.YahooMailNeo@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:15:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dr Andres Katz Reply-To: Dr Andres Katz Subject: Re: [LML] Acro or Helicopter? X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="943787736-1147997534-1356012905=:34010" --943787736-1147997534-1356012905=:34010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hear, hear=0Aalso i should add that if you have a box close to you, it take= s 20 minutes of your time to go out and get in shape=0Aimagine playing golf= how much time you lose. In 20 minutes of practice my head clear up, i get = the dust off the top of the wings, find the credit card i lost 6 months ago= , =0Anice overhead, 2 loops, a couple of vertical snap rolls, a cuban eight= nothing fancy no outside loops it makes my day go better. Then i can go an= d spend the rest of the day in the operating room. Its also cheap 20 minute= s of fuel in my zlin-50=A0is the cheapest form of pleasure i can get. =0A= =A0=0A=A0=0Amerry xmas to all listers =0A=0A_______________________________= _=0AFrom: Jack Morgan =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net= =0ASent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:21 AM=0ASubject: [LML] Acro or Heli= copter?=0A=0A=0AI want to second the suggestion to consider aerobatics. Sin= ce our Lancairs are more challenging when slowed, I believe you get a valua= ble perspective from the proficiency gained by flying in all corners of the= envelope in an aerobatic airplane. It will give a stronger respect as to w= hy our IV's should never get near stall. It will also engrain the proper co= ntrol response should a pilot make the mistake of getting near a departure = stall in a Lancair. Just make sure you don't try any of the maneuvers you l= earn in the IV.=0A=0AI was one of those guys who got sick initially but ele= cted to stay with it. I now have over 300 hours of acro and believe it keep= s me safer and has kept me more interested in flying. It also humbles you s= ince you can see your proficiency decay if you lay off just a few weeks....= . keeps you coming back. The main safety gain is the training that allows y= ou to not get disoriented...... there is no longer an unusual attitude so y= ou can fly out of or recover from any aircraft position.=0A=0ABesides......= Acro is fun stuff.=0A=0AJack Morgan=0AIV P #603 37JB=0A=0AFrom: Lancair Ma= iling List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=0A>jeffrey liegner= =0A>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:43 AM=0A>To:=A0lml@lancaironline.n= et=0A>Subject: [LML] Helicopter Lessons=0A>=0A>I've been getting the itch t= o do something different. =A0Anyone have advice=0A>about taking helicopter = lessons? =A0There's a Bell 47 trainer nearby with a=0A>small flight school.= =0A>=0A>Perhaps our Lancair family can render comment (either way).=0A>=0A>= Jeff L=0A>LIVP=0A> --943787736-1147997534-1356012905=:34010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hear, hear
also i should add that if y= ou have a box close to you, it takes 20 minutes of your time to go out and = get in shape
imagine playing golf how mu= ch time you lose. In 20 minutes of practice my head clear up, i get the dus= t off the top of the wings, find the credit card i lost 6 months ago,
nice overhead, 2 loops, a c= ouple of vertical snap rolls, a cuban eight nothing fancy no outside loops = it makes my day go better. Then i can go and spend the rest of the day in t= he operating room. Its also cheap 20 minutes of fuel in my zlin-50 is the cheapest form of pleasure i can get.=
 
 
merry xmas to all listers
From:= Jack Morgan <jmorgan1023@comcast.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:21= AM
Subject: [LML] Acro = or Helicopter?

I want to second the suggestion to consider aerobatics. Since our Lanc= airs are more challenging when slowed, I believe you get a valuable perspec= tive from the proficiency gained by flying in all corners of the envelope i= n an aerobatic airplane. It will give a stronger respect as to why our IV's= should never get near stall. It will also engrain the proper control respo= nse should a pilot make the mistake of getting near a departure stall in a = Lancair. Just make sure you don't try any of the maneuvers you learn in the= IV.

I was one of those guys who got sick initially but elected to stay wit= h it. I now have over 300 hours of acro and believe it keeps me safer and h= as kept me more interested in flying. It also humbles you since you can see= your proficiency decay if you lay off just a few weeks..... keeps you comi= ng back. The main safety gain is the training that allows you to not get di= soriented...... there is no longer an unusual attitude so you can fly out o= f or recover from any aircraft position.

Besides...... Acro is fun stuff.

Jack Morgan
IV P #603 37JB

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lanc= aironline.net] On Behalf Of
jeffrey liegner
Sent: Wednesday, December= 19, 2012 7:43 AM
To:&nb= sp;lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Helicopt= er Lessons

I've been getting the itch to do something different. &nb= sp;Anyone have advice
about taking helicopter lessons?  There's a B= ell 47 trainer nearby with a
small flight school.

Perhaps our Lan= cair family can render comment (either way).

Jeff L
LIVP



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