X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:13:46 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-wg0-f52.google.com ([74.125.82.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0) with ESMTPS id 5953444 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:27:51 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.82.52; envelope-from=billhogarty@gmail.com Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 12so2370908wgh.7 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:27:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.20.177 with SMTP id o17mr13311385wie.18.1355718435532; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.5.136 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:27:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:27:15 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Getting back into the air From: "William A. Hogarty" X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53d5b4bc3ef9104d104cb44 --bcaec53d5b4bc3ef9104d104cb44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Au Contraire, Mon Ami.. Palo Alto is NOT for the faint of heart in a IV-P. Been there, done that, You have to be on top of your game or you end up on the overrun with smoking brakes and a red face (dont ask). Why take a chance when you have so many suitable runways available in the immediate vicinity???? Is there something to prove? Fly safe, Regards, Bill H. . On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Frederick Moreno < frederickmoreno@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi John: > > I originally flew off my Phase 1 off 3000 feet of dirt strip with no > problems, AFTER I based at the nearly big airport for the first ten hours > to gain landing skills. > > Lancair IVs operate out of Palo Alto without difficulty, 2500 feet. > > I hope you have an angle of attack indicator as it is extremely valuable > for setting approach speeds which for my airplane vary from about 95 to 1= 10 > knots depending on weight. I routinely fly into a grass strip of 800 > meters (2750 feet) with two people and half fuel. But you have to nail t= he > numbers to prevent float, and once on the runway it just rolls, so lots o= f > braking. > > Full disclosure: my airplane is not pressurized and has an empty weight > of 1984 pounds. > > Fred > > > > > *-------Original Message-------* > > *From:* John Barrett > *Date:* 16/12/2012 2:57:21 AM > *To:* lml@lancaironline.net > *Subject:* [LML] Getting back into the air > > > My Lancair IVP after 55 hours of total flight time is having an engine > overhaul (it was a =93new engine=94 to start with from Performance Engine= s =96 > I=92ll tell that story later) and I expect to get the engine back from > Barrett in Tulsa in January or early February. It will take a while to g= et > the engine back on =96 all the other upgrades and fixes completed, taxi t= ests > etc etc and so I expect to be ready to get airborne again in the spring o= r > early summer.**** > > ** ** > > I have about 60 hours of personal IVP time =96 50 of them in my airplane.= I > am hangared at 0S9, Port Townsend International Airport in Washington > State. **** > > ** ** > > The advice I=92m looking for centers around the fact that our runway is > 3,000 feet long, certainly more than adequate for this airplane but not b= y > a lot. The first flight after reinstallation will be a test flight with > several different concerns. **** > > ** ** > > 1. Although I have much confidence in my decision to have Barrett > overhaul the engine, it=92s still a break in flight and carries more risk > than normal for that first takeoff.**** > > 2. Because I am still a low time LIV driver and I will have had > almost 6 months of rust developing in my IVP skills, that will be a facto= r > **** > > 3. Because the airport environment is not conducive to emergency > landing after takeoff (trees and salt water at both ends) engine problems > during this takeoff would be problematic.**** > > ** ** > > Port Angeles is about 6 or 7 minutes away in the IVP and has a nice long > and wide runway, so the plan is to head directly there and perform engine > break in over head that airport followed by several landings there prior = to > returning to home field. There is another runway at Sequim midway betwee= n > that is 4,000 ft long - it=92s narrow but could be a satisfactory emerge= ncy > strip if necessary.**** > > ** ** > > Is there advice other than hiring another test pilot and/or buying time i= n > someone else=92s IVP that I should be planning for to lower risks in this > upcoming event? Any other concerns I should be thinking about I haven=92= t > mentioned?**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > John Barrett, CEO**** > > Leading Edge Composites**** > > PO Box 428**** > > Port Hadlock, WA 98339**** > > ** ** > > www.carbinge.com**** > > ** ** > > --bcaec53d5b4bc3ef9104d104cb44 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Au Contraire, Mon Ami.. =A0 Palo Alto is NOT for the faint of heart in a IV= -P. =A0

Been there, done that, =A0You have to be on top = of your game or you end up on the overrun with smoking brakes and a red fac= e (dont ask).

Why take a chance when you have so many suitable runway= s available in the immediate vicinity???? =A0

Is t= here something to prove?

Fly safe, =A0Regards, Bil= l H.

. =A0



On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Frederick Moreno <fr= ederickmoreno@bigpond.com> wrote:
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Hi=A0 John:
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I originally flew off my Phase 1 off 3000 feet of dirt strip with no p= roblems, AFTER I based at the nearly big airport for the first ten hours to= gain landing skills.=A0=A0=A0
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=A0Lancair IVs operate out of Palo Alto without difficulty, 2500 feet.= =A0
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I=A0 hope you have an angle of attack indicator as it is extremely val= uable for setting approach speeds which for my airplane vary from about 95 = to 110 knots depending on weight.=A0 I routinely fly into a grass strip of = 800 meters (2750 feet) with two people and half fuel.=A0 But=A0you have to = nail the numbers to prevent float, and once on the runway it just rolls, so= lots of braking.=A0
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=A0Full disclosure: my airplane is not pressurized and has an empty we= ight of 1984 pounds.=A0
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Fred=A0
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-------Original Message-------=
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Date: 16/12/2012 2:= 57:21 AM
Subject: [LML] Gett= ing back into the air
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My Lancair IVP after 55 hours of total flight time i= s having an engine overhaul (it was a =93new engine=94 to start with from P= erformance Engines =96 I=92ll tell that story later) and I expect to get th= e engine back from Barrett in Tulsa in January or early February.=A0 It wil= l take a while to get the engine back on =96 all the other upgrades and fix= es completed, taxi tests etc etc and so I expect to be ready to get airborn= e again in the spring or early summer.

=A0

I have about 60 hours of personal IVP time =96 50 of= them in my airplane.=A0 I am hangared at 0S9, Port Townsend International = Airport in Washington State.=A0

=A0

The advice I=92m looking for centers around the fact= that our runway is 3,000 feet long, certainly more than adequate for this = airplane but not by a lot.=A0 The first flight after reinstallation will be= a test flight with several different concerns.=A0

=A0

1.=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 Although I have much confidence in my decision to have= Barrett overhaul the engine, it=92s still a break in flight and carries mo= re risk than normal for that first takeoff.

2.=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 Because I am still a low time LIV driver and I will ha= ve had almost 6 months of rust developing in my IVP skills, that will be a = factor

3.=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 Because the airport environment is not conducive to em= ergency landing after takeoff (trees and salt water at both ends) engine pr= oblems during this takeoff would be problematic.

=A0

Port Angeles is about 6 or 7 minutes away in the IVP= and has a nice long and wide runway, so the plan is to head directly there= and perform engine break in over head that airport followed by several lan= dings there prior to returning to home field.=A0 There is another runway at= Sequim midway between that is 4,000 ft long -=A0 it=92s narrow but could b= e a satisfactory emergency strip if necessary.

=A0

Is there advice other than hiring another test pilot= and/or buying time in someone else=92s IVP that I should be planning for t= o lower risks in this upcoming event?=A0 Any other concerns I should be thi= nking about I haven=92t mentioned?

=A0

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=A0

Regards,

=A0

John Barrett, CEO

Leading Edge Composites

PO Box 428

Port Hadlock, WA 98339

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www.carbinge.com

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