X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:15:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0) with ESMTP id 5952172 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:05:02 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.69; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fMazUPja1BxnBOStk6DVoKAjJ+9JXj5Y693JDbcPJpVkNADWqyDmeioIJToFKBuT; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.223.163.19] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Tk4Wh-0001lX-FD for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:04:27 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-45--637254858 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Getting back into the air X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:04:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <56FEFAC8-FE51-4076-8FEC-034CFB9CDCFA@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9400adb1cb626d38908dd369295cadb714b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.223.163.19 --Apple-Mail-45--637254858 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I'm with Doug. I think of pilot proficiency levels like this: 1) Can do all normal maneuvers very precisely on command. For me = that's probably 100-150 hours make/model with 50 of it in the last 4 = months. 2) Can do emergency maneuvers such as landing off airport on command. = not sure how long this takes. ?300 make/model with 50 of emergency = recently. 3) Can do emergency maneuvers as events demand, while prioritizing = among several distractions. (e.g. engine out). haven't got there yet = so I don't know how long it takes. 4) Can do emergency maneuvers reliably when the only options are trees = and the runway is too short. longer.... Colyn On Dec 15, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Douglas Brunner wrote: John, =20 I am the owner/pilot of a Lancair Legacy, which is by most accounts = easier to fly than a IV. For my first flight after an engine overhaul, = I hired a test pilot. =20 1) Although I have 1,500 hours total time of which about 300 hours = is in the Legacy, I do not consider myself a =93pro=94 - i.e. there are = better pilots out there than me. Perhaps you fit in the same category. 2) 3,000 feet is my minimum runway length for landing my plane. = Come in too fast or too long and you could get in trouble. 3) Much of the work in doing a first flight is the pre-flight = inspection. It would probably be nice to have another experiencedset of = eyes looking at all the details =96 perhaps you missed something. =20 Here are two possibilities (of a number) for someone to do the test = flight for you: =20 Dave McRae of RDD - david.mcrae@rddent.com =20 Bob Jeffrey of Elite Pilot Services - = http://www.elitepilotservices.com/services/lancair-testing/ =20 Good luck, stay safe. =20 D. Brunner =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = John Barrett Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:56 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Getting back into the air =20 My Lancair IVP after 55 hours of total flight time is having an engine = overhaul (it was a =93new engine=94 to start with from Performance = Engines =96 I=92ll tell that story later) and I expect to get the engine = back from Barrett in Tulsa in January or early February. It will take a = while to get the engine back on =96 all the other upgrades and fixes = completed, taxi tests etc etc and so I expect to be ready to get = airborne again in the spring or early summer. =20 I have about 60 hours of personal IVP time =96 50 of them in my = airplane. I am hangared at 0S9, Port Townsend International Airport in = Washington State.=20 =20 The advice I=92m looking for centers around the fact that our runway is = 3,000 feet long, certainly more than adequate for this airplane but not = by a lot. The first flight after reinstallation will be a test flight = with several different concerns.=20 =20 1. Although I have much confidence in my decision to have Barrett = overhaul the engine, it=92s still a break in flight and carries more = risk than normal for that first takeoff. 2. Because I am still a low time LIV driver and I will have had = almost 6 months of rust developing in my IVP skills, that will be a = factor 3. Because the airport environment is not conducive to emergency = landing after takeoff (trees and salt water at both ends) engine = problems during this takeoff would be problematic. =20 Port Angeles is about 6 or 7 minutes away in the IVP and has a nice long = and wide runway, so the plan is to head directly there and perform = engine break in over head that airport followed by several landings = there prior to returning to home field. There is another runway at = Sequim midway between that is 4,000 ft long - it=92s narrow but could = be a satisfactory emergency strip if necessary. =20 Is there advice other than hiring another test pilot and/or buying time = in someone else=92s IVP that I should be planning for to lower risks in = this upcoming event? Any other concerns I should be thinking about I = haven=92t mentioned? =20 =20 =20 Regards, =20 John Barrett, CEO Leading Edge Composites PO Box 428 Port Hadlock, WA 98339 =20 www.carbinge.com =20 --Apple-Mail-45--637254858 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I'm with Doug.
I think of pilot proficiency = levels like this:

1) Can do all normal = maneuvers very precisely on command.   For me that's probably = 100-150 hours make/model with 50 of it in the last 4 = months.
2) Can do emergency maneuvers such as landing off = airport on command.   not sure how long this takes. ?300 make/model = with 50 of emergency recently.
3) Can do emergency maneuvers = as events demand,  while prioritizing among several distractions. = (e.g. engine out).   haven't got there yet so I don't know how long = it takes.
4) Can do emergency maneuvers reliably when the only = options are trees and the runway is too short.   = longer....

Colyn

On Dec 15, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Douglas Brunner wrote:

John,
I am the owner/pilot of a Lancair = Legacy, which is by most accounts easier to fly than a IV.  For my = first flight after an engine overhaul, I hired a test = pilot.
 
      Although I = have 1,500 hours total time of which about 300 hours is in the Legacy, I = do not consider myself a =93pro=94 = - i.e. there are better pilots out there than me.   Perhaps = you fit in the same category.
      3,000 feet is = my minimum runway length for landing = my plane.  Come in too fast or too long and you could get in = trouble.
3) Much of the = work in doing a first flight is the pre-flight inspection.  It = would probably be nice to have another experiencedset of = eyes looking at all the details =96 perhaps you missed = something.
 
 
 Bob Jeffrey of  Elite Pilot = Services -  
My Lancair IVP after 55 hours of = total flight time is having an engine overhaul (it was a =93new engine=94 = to start with from Performance Engines =96 I=92ll tell that story later) = and I expect to get the engine back from Barrett in Tulsa in January or = early February.  It will take a while to get the engine back on =96 = all the other upgrades and fixes completed, taxi tests etc etc and so I = expect to be ready to get airborne again in the spring or early = summer.
 
I = have about 60 hours of personal IVP time =96 50 of them in my = airplane.  I am hangared at 0S9, Port Townsend International = Airport in Washington State. 
The advice I=92m looking for centers = around the fact that our runway is 3,000 feet long, certainly more than = adequate for this airplane but not by a lot.  The first flight = after reinstallation will be a test flight with several different = concerns. 
 
1. Although I = have much confidence in my decision to have Barrett overhaul the engine, = it=92s still a break in flight and carries more risk than normal for = that first takeoff.
       Because I am = still a low time LIV driver and I will have had almost 6 months of rust = developing in my IVP skills, that will be a factor
3. Because the = airport environment is not conducive to emergency landing after takeoff = (trees and salt water at both ends) engine problems during this takeoff = would be problematic.
 
 
 
Regards,
John Barrett, = CEO
Leading Edge Composites
Port Hadlock, WA = 98339