X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.147] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTP id 5089504 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:56:44 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.147; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7BMu4CC009718 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:56:04 -0400 Received: from core-mnc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mnc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.106.205]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 75A60E00008C for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:56:03 -0400 (EDT) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: EFIS versus six pack X-AOL-IP: 75.33.127.82 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE2690FAE9A04D_1960_E7DC2_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34007-STANDARD Received: from 75.33.127.82 by webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com (205.188.59.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:56:03 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CE2690FAD69555-1960-56E83@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [75.33.127.82] X-Original-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:56:03 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472904000:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4e445e035094 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE2690FAE9A04D_1960_E7DC2_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" glad you asked... Bill brought it up earlier...not enough skill, knowledge = and epxerience with the new stuff. "Gear up...autopilot on" works great in = the soup until you have to hand fly it.... -----Original Message----- From: Earl Schroeder To: lml Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 3:13 pm Subject: [LML] Re: EFIS versus six pack I'm asking?? Surprise me.. Thanks. ---- Original Message ---- rom: Jeff Edwards o: lml@lancaironline.net ent: Thu, August 11, 2011 6:42:33 AM ubject: [LML] Re: EFIS versus six pack You all should be asking the question "why are pilots crashing EFIS aircraf= t?"=20 he answers might surprise you.=20 vSafe=20 eff Edwards 14.308.6719 mobile 36.532.5638 office eff.edwards@avsafe.com On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Colyn Case wrote: > michael, got a link to that report? =20 On Aug 10, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michael Smith wrote: =20 > All these discussions about panel upgrades and so on begs the question as= to > which setup- a an EFIS and flat screen set up or standard spinning gyros > works better in terms of delivering an intact crew and passenger to the > terminal and a plane that is reusable for further flight. I clearly agree > the panels look cool, but I do pay attention to peer reviewed science. T= he=20 >=20 > Cirrus folks did a study and the results published about a year ago > comparing the conventional gyro panels and the EFIS in the same model of > plane- as close a randomized controlled trial in aviation as possible the= se > days. =20 >=20 > The EFIS cohort bent more planes and orphaned more kids than the old scho= ol > gyros.=20 >=20 > So I won't be flying with an EFIS until someone can prove they're safer. >=20 > Michael Smith > LIV now over 1000TT >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml =20 =20 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l -- or archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html - or archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ----------MB_8CE2690FAE9A04D_1960_E7DC2_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" glad you asked... Bill brou= ght it up earlier...not enough skill, knowledge and epxerience with the new= stuff. "Gear up...autopilot on" works great in the soup until you have to = hand fly it....
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= -----Original Message-----
From: Earl Schroeder <earleschroeder@yahoo.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 3:13 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: EFIS versus six pack

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king??  Surprise me..  Thanks.




----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Edwards <vtailjeff@aol.c=
om>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, August 11, 2011 6:42:33 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: EFIS versus six pack

You all should be asking the question "why are pilots crashing EFIS aircraf=
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The answers might surprise you.=20


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Jeff Edwards
314.308.6719 mobile
636.532.5638 office
Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com

On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:

> michael,   got a link to that report?
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> On Aug 10, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michael Smith wrote:
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>> All these discussions about panel upgrades and so on begs the ques=
tion as to
>> which setup- a an EFIS and flat screen set up or standard spinning=
 gyros
>> works better in terms of delivering an intact crew and passenger t=
o the
>> terminal and a plane that is reusable for further flight. I clearl=
y agree
>> the panels look cool, but I do pay attention to peer reviewed scie=
nce.  The=20
>>=20
>> Cirrus folks did a study and the results published about a year ag=
o
>> comparing the conventional gyro panels and the EFIS in the same mo=
del of
>> plane- as close a randomized controlled trial in aviation as possi=
ble these
>> days. =20
>>=20
>> The EFIS cohort bent more planes and orphaned more kids than the o=
ld school
>> gyros.=20
>>=20
>> So I won't be flying with an EFIS until someone can prove they're =
safer.
>>=20
>> Michael Smith
>> LIV now over 1000TT
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> --
>> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/list=
s/lml/List.html
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