X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.147] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTP id 5089522 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:01:25 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.147; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7BN0ek7014963 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:00:40 -0400 Received: from core-mnc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mnc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.106.205]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B1FFAE000082 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:00:39 -0400 (EDT) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: EFIS versus six pack X-AOL-IP: 75.33.127.82 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE26919F8E9642_1960_E8164_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34007-STANDARD Received: from 75.33.127.82 by webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com (205.188.59.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:00:39 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CE26919F5A3818-1960-56F97@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [75.33.127.82] X-Original-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:00:39 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466294656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4e445f174cd2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE26919F8E9642_1960_E8164_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" here are a couple of reports to read--just google the accident number and l= ook at the full factual. report..CEN09FA267 a Cirrus with an Avidyne...and = CHI07FA183 a Meridian with an Avidyne. In both cases the pilots could not f= ly the aircraft in IMC without the assistance of the a/p. -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Case To: lml Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 2:13 pm Subject: [LML] Re: EFIS versus six pack OKAY. Why are pilots crashing EFIS aircraft? On Aug 11, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Jeff Edwards wrote: > You all should be asking the question "why are pilots crashing EFIS aircr= aft?"=20 he answers might surprise you.=20 =20 AvSafe=20 Jeff Edwards 314.308.6719 mobile 636.532.5638 office Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com =20 On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Colyn Case wrote: =20 > michael, got a link to that report? >=20 > On Aug 10, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michael Smith wrote: >=20 >> All these discussions about panel upgrades and so on begs the question a= s to >> which setup- a an EFIS and flat screen set up or standard spinning gyros >> works better in terms of delivering an intact crew and passenger to the >> terminal and a plane that is reusable for further flight. I clearly agre= e >> the panels look cool, but I do pay attention to peer reviewed science. = The=20 >>=20 >> Cirrus folks did a study and the results published about a year ago >> comparing the conventional gyro panels and the EFIS in the same model of >> plane- as close a randomized controlled trial in aviation as possible th= ese >> days. =20 >>=20 >> The EFIS cohort bent more planes and orphaned more kids than the old sch= ool >> gyros.=20 >>=20 >> So I won't be flying with an EFIS until someone can prove they're safer. >>=20 >> Michael Smith >> LIV now over 1000TT >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.h= tml >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml =20 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l - or archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ----------MB_8CE26919F8E9642_1960_E8164_webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" here are a couple of report= s to read--just google the accident number and look at the full factual. re= port..CEN09FA267 a Cirrus with an Avidyne...and CHI07FA183 a Meridian with = an Avidyne. In both cases the pilots could not fly the aircraft in IMC with= out the assistance of the a/p.
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= -----Original Message-----
From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 2:13 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: EFIS versus six pack

OKAY. =
  Why are pilots crashing EFIS aircraft?

On Aug 11, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Jeff Edwards wrote:

> You all should be asking the question "why are pilots crashing EFIS ai=
rcraft?"=20
The answers might surprise you.=20
>=20
> AvSafe=20
> Jeff Edwards
> 314.308.6719 mobile
> 636.532.5638 office
> Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com
>=20
> On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:
>=20
>> michael,   got a link to that report?
>>=20
>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michael Smith wrote:
>>=20
>>> All these discussions about panel upgrades and so on begs the =
question as to
>>> which setup- a an EFIS and flat screen set up or standard spin=
ning gyros
>>> works better in terms of delivering an intact crew and passeng=
er to the
>>> terminal and a plane that is reusable for further flight. I cl=
early agree
>>> the panels look cool, but I do pay attention to peer reviewed =
science.  The=20
>>>=20
>>> Cirrus folks did a study and the results published about a yea=
r ago
>>> comparing the conventional gyro panels and the EFIS in the sam=
e model of
>>> plane- as close a randomized controlled trial in aviation as p=
ossible these
>>> days. =20
>>>=20
>>> The EFIS cohort bent more planes and orphaned more kids than t=
he old school
>>> gyros.=20
>>>=20
>>> So I won't be flying with an EFIS until someone can prove they=
're safer.
>>>=20
>>> Michael Smith
>>> LIV now over 1000TT
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> --
>>> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/=
lists/lml/List.html
>>=20
>>=20
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