Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.1) with ESMTP id 994728 for rob@logan.com; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:36:34 -0500 Received: from 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net ([24.234.0.81]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:33:50 -0500 Received: from lvcm.com (cm167.183.120.24.lvcm.com [24.120.183.167]) by 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AUH97985; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:34:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C265948.2FD5846C@lvcm.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:23:03 -0700 From: rickschrameck Reply-To: rickschrameck@lvcm.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Subject: Re: "EngineAir Controversy" and Turbine Commentary References: <003301c18bc8$68b07780$7d6c8a90@direcpc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Fred, Al and Doug, I will be more than willing to drop this posting and let the NEW company try to build a good product. Having said that, I will not let go of facts that lead me to the conclusion that this is still the Old company under the same management. That being Al and Jim. The half truths are still being told by those individuals and that puts the credibility of the New company into question. I have found that your responses are honorable and given the one sided information you have understandable. Customer perception and company good name are paramount to success. You all as a company of investors need to repair some old situations. Just saying that these customers did not agree with the way you all are doing things did not in any way fix the problems especially since Al and Jim are still involved. It sounds like you have only been involved with these Two gentlemen for a short time. I would suggest that you have a group of investors/ customers contact every person that the old company left high and dry to get their side of the issue and deal with them in good faith. The only thing you said that scared me was that you started up the new company extraordinarily careful and diligently and how it is set up and managed in order to best protect the interests of the participating customers who volunteered to bring more money to the party. The management is still the same under different roles. Management in the old company and the investors in the old company were Al and Jim. They are still there. As far as Gerry is concerned he only wanted his money back and he "got squat". It is interesting that you say that the new company is being up front and truthful. Maybe your management group should read the post that Doug an Al have put out. I will be specific. Doug stated that he had 43 hours of trouble free flying before his engine failure. If that is true than why did Al have to make an emergency trip to fix ignition problems so Don Goetz could fly the plane. Spin doctoring Fred. If it was the Lancair fuel selector that caused the engine failure why didn't Doug just switch the selector back to the old position. First we were told that a towel was left in the engine compartment and that was sucked into the Turbo and caused the failure. That also is highly questionable. How does a paper towel left inside the cowl get outside the cowl and into the sealed cold air inlet. That Fred is magic. You can see why I say nothing has changed. Doug and Al changed the total time on Jim's plane from 800 hours in one posting to about 450. I was also led to believe that that 450 hours were trouble free. That is also a fabrication. I have been told that Jim had a engine seize on his plane and had a forced landing in Florida. I believe there has been many more issues I do not know of that happened during R&D. Things always happen during R&D but do state reliability numbers in the hundreds of trouble free hours when that is not the case. Please take the time and effort to have a meeting with all the customers that we have been talking about and get both sides of the story. Tom Zedaker, Gerry, Ron, Marcus and others deserve to be heard. I am not an investor nor a party that is owed any money by Al or Jim. That being said I would offer to be a moderator in such a meeting. I am not a lawyer but I have been the CEO of 5 companies and have dealt with corporate issues like this. Please let's get this behind us now not six months from now. Face your customers and maybe things could be fixed to everyone's satisfaction not just 90%. I hope that you do not think that 90% fixed is acceptable. I would not like to fly in a 90% fixed engine system. Rick Schrameck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>