Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.1) with ESMTP id 993638 for rob@logan.com; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:02:53 -0500 Received: from oflmta02bw.bigpond.com ([139.134.6.23]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:39:06 -0500 Received: from hostname ([144.135.24.81]) by oflmta02bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GOQU1R00.648 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 21:46:39 +1000 Received: from 144.138.108.52 ([144.138.108.52]) by bwmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 38/1233546); 22 Dec 2001 21:39:41 Message-ID: <009601c18add$3acfffc0$b46c8a90@direcpc.com> From: "Fred Moreno" To: "Lancair list" Subject: Efficiency: Auto engine versus aircraft Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:38:45 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary Casey wrote: "While I am an auto engine enthusiast, I have to say that NO WAY can any spark-ignition engine burn 25% less than a standard Lycoming or Continental. While these engines may not represent the latest in technology they are quite efficient and reliable." I can understand why Doug Pohl's comment sparked such a response. An elaboration is necessary. It is a question of what the engines do on paper, and what they do in the real world. To a first approximation, Gary is right. Modern piston engines operate at their best efficiency (high manifold pressure, high load) with a specific fuel consumption of about 0.4 pounds of fuel per horsepower if they are operating on or slightly lean of peak near the maximum efficiency mixture ratio. Once you get the fuel mixture right, the ignition right, assuming you have not screwed up on the intake and exhaust systems to badly, and get all the other things more or less right, the biggest effect on gasoline engine efficiency is compression. And the maximum allowable compression ratio depends on the onset of detonation. And that depends on a number of issues including combustion chamber design, fuel octane, and temperature. (Manifold pressure is also an important ingredient, but let's set that aside for a moment, and assume they are more or less the same for both engines.) In reading text books on the subject, I found that a rough rule of thumb is that for aircraft engine detonation, every 20 degrees F decrease in cylinder head temperature can allow a 1 point decrease in octane rating. (So a drop from 400F to 200F can drop the allowable octane rating from about 100 to about 92, keeping in mind that Avgas octane and Mogas octane are not quite the same.) Also, our air cooled, magneto-fired engines operate with fixed timing, and this setting is based in large part on avoiding detonation at redline cylinder head temperature (475F) while operating full rich (a certification requirement) as well as operation at cruise power at more economical power settings. So taking all this together, with a liquid cooled engine operating with a cylinder head temperature of 200F instead of 400F, and with variable ignition timing (even knock sensors, if necessary) one should be able to operate with lower octane and/or higher compression ratio than the comparable air cooled engine. So the liquid cooled engine, should in theory, be able to operate with a higher compression ratio than the air cooled engine and get a bit of an efficiency boost. Recall that the TSIO-550 Continental operates with a 7 to 1 compression ratio (if memory serves correctly), lower even than the aspirated version. So will a higher compression ratio get you a 25% fuel savings? I agree that if both engines are operating at the SAME, "optimal" mixture ratio (lean of peak, rich of peak, on peak, you can define "optimal" for yourself), the answer is No Way. Aye, but there's the rub. The TSIO-550 evolved from the TSIO-520 engine designed and built for the original Piper Malibu. Continental did a lot of work improving the intake manifold system to improve the uniformity of fuel mixture. With this engine they introduced "lean of peak" operation into the pilot's world. On paper it was great. In practice, the engine had problems (perhaps unrelated to this mode of operation) and Piper switched to Lycoming. Continental stroked the 520 to make it a 550 and with some other minor changes, arrived at the TSIO-550 that sits in most Lancair IVs today. The Lancair IV experience has been that operated as suggested by Continental, a lot of cylinders gave up and died. Top overhauls at 400-800 hours were not uncommon. I do not have the details of the failures, nor am I privy to the exchanges with the Continental factory. But in the real world at higher (approved) power settings at high altitudes, many of the engines were not making the grade. As a result of this general trend of bad experience, the Lancair factory came out with its own recommendation in their newsletter over a year ago. I would guess that the factory has burned more avgas in the TSIO-550 that many of us combined, so their advice is worth listening to. Orin Riddell wrote that they now recommend operating well rich of peak to get the engine lifetime a customer should be able to expect. Here are the recommended figures from their newsletter: 100%, 350 HP, take off, Full rich 41-43 gallons per hour 75%, 262 HP, cruise climb, Full rich 27-28 gallons per hour 65%, 227 HP, economy cruise, 100F rich of peak 20-21 gallons per hour 55%, 192 HP, economy cruise, 100F rich of peak 16-17 12.5-13.5 gallons per hour Note that 75% power is no longer recommended as a cruise power setting, except full rich during climb. Using the 65% figure of 227 horsepower and 20 gallons per hour, my calculator comes up with 0.528 pounds of fuel per horsepower hour. Knock 25% off this and you get about 0.40, the figure mentioned above. So, in the REAL WORLD the Lancair Factory recommends that real pilots with real Lancair IV's should fly at these power and fuel settings, but any "reasonable" engine should be able (if it can last) to operate with fuel consumption that is 25% less. What the experience of the Lancair IV community tells us is that in the real world, you will pay for extra gasoline (an extra 4 or more gallons per hour, or $10 per hour) or you will pay for cylinders and exhaust valves, but you are going to pay. It's up to the pilot to decide. Liquid cooled engines SHOULD be able to avoid expensive top end problems because cooling with liquid is about 20-50 times more effective (in terms of heat transfer coefficient) than cooling with air. Cylinder heads are much cooler, exhaust valves, exhaust valve seats, valve guides, oil around valve guides and rocker arms etc. are also much cooler. And a bit higher compression gives a bit more efficiency which results in a small decrease in exhaust gas temperature. Now, the question is: Will a fleet of new (but "inexperienced") liquid cooled engines provide the promised cost benefits compared to the old (but "experienced") air cooled engines? Only time will tell. The technical details suggest that the benefits SHOULD be achievable, and I am betting they will. So I am putting my money where my mouth is. Wish me (and all the other pioneers, regardless of engine preference) luck. If it works, aviation will be better off. If it does not, pray for aerodiesels, but don't hold your breath. Or spend LOTS of money on turbine fuel. (Here, too, the real world differs significantly from the claims on paper. But that is another topic for another day.) So, a summary. In theory, all gasoline piston engines should be able to achieve more or less the same efficiency. But in the real world, it looks like the Continental TSIO-550 can't cut the mustard, and must be operated rich and at reduced power settings to survive at the hands of the average Lancair IV pilot. The liquid cooled engine should be able to permit the same power with 25% less fuel flow than the TSIO-550 operated as recommended by Lancair. Flight testing to date confirms it. But until we get a LOT of airplanes with liquid cooled engines with a LOTS of hours, the jury must withhold judgment. The comments, contributions, and corrections of others are always welcome. Fred Moreno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>