Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5) with ESMTP id 972210 for rob@logan.com; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:44:28 -0500 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:39:16 -0500 Received: from AVIDWIZ@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id k.3b.1f33b97a (3845) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:39:42 -0500 (EST) From: AVIDWIZ@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.1f33b97a.29503ead@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:39:41 EST Subject: Liability - Insurance _ etc. To: lancair.list@olsusa.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear Ed, >From your recent post I can see you did not read my commently in the proper context. What I said was: "In terms of liability my attorney in Hong Kong suggests I form a Liberian > bearer share company which in turn would own a Panama offshore trust. The > offshore trust would own a Nevada Corporation whose sole asset would be the > plane. Then another California Corporation would lease the plane from the > AZ Company and would receive rental payment for its usage from me. The point of this structure is solely to avoid third party liability. NOT to make money from insurance in any form. The issue raised by Brent was that while one can afford to lose the plane, ones assets may be at risk from litigation arising from any accident. Hence as an OPTION to insurance for liability, the aforementioned structure would "judgement proof" the underlying owners of the aircraft. Think about it: If the plane crashes and someone decided to sue, they will be faced with sueing a Nevada Corporation who has no assets other than the defunct airplane. Then they "might" get to the point of trying to sue to "beneficial owners" of the Nevada corporation which will turn out to be an offshore trust domiciled in Panama whose owners cannot be identified because of the fact the trust is owned by a Liberian offshore corporation whose owners have availed themselves of the "bearer share" provisions of Liberian law and cannot be traced. All directors are "nominees" and hence the shell is air tight. On the other end of the food chain, the Nevada corporation simply leases the plane to a California corporation who has clients who rent it hourly ... among which are the pilot who crashed. The same structure should of course be employed to protect personal assets as well so that if "pilot error" is ruled as the accident cause, the pilots personal estate os protected. Most probably though, anyone with enough money to buy one of these planes in the first place has already got very solid personal asset protection structures in place....right? On the topic of forming a self insurance co-op, I do not have enough information to make an honest appraisal of this approach .... but I am listening. Regards, Dave Riggs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>