Return-Path: Received: from sam.the-i.net ([206.136.176.251]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:08:30 -0400 Received: from pavilion (ccb76.the-i.net [206.136.177.76]) by sam.the-i.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:15:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c03308$35244be0$4cb188ce@pavilion> From: "J. N. Cameron" To: "Lancair List" Subject: Water-based urethane paint (Poly-Fiber) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:07:28 -0500 X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Thought I'd pass on my experience so far with the water-based urethane paint system sold by Poly-Fiber. The primer (UV Smooth Prime) goes on well; I rolled the first three coats as per the manual, then sprayed the last three with an HVLP gun (Fuji, #3 needle). The filler solids content of this primer seems less than, say, DuPont Corlar or the WLS system, so it helps to blade on a thin layer of SuperFill (great product!) to help fill the weave, then sand that with about 320 grit prior to starting the primer. I only used SuperFill on seams and obvious bad areas on the bottom of the wings, but I'll do the whole surface when I flip the wings to do the top next week. When the primer has cured (longer is better), I found that a visible guide coat (a fast-drying black lacquer, available at places that sell auto paint supplies) helped a lot to get a smooth surface -- it's next to impossible to see all the weave depressions on a flat white surface. The top coat has been a lot trickier. DO NOT try to use an HVLP spray gun. I did on the first coat, and spent a day and half with 400 grit sanding it smooth. The HVLP gun apparently atomizes differently; the drops are too large to flow out, and the hot air makes it dry too fast. The result is nasty -- rough in spots, bad orange peel, and where it was heavy enough to flow out, it sagged! Today's shoot with a conventional gun (40 psi air pressure, medium needle, medium paint flow rate) came out fine, but I do have a couple of sags on the leading edges. I thinned 10% with distilled water, but maybe that was a mistake. The margin between just enough to flow out and too much (with sags) is VERY thin with this paint. I can't wait 'til I start shooting vertical surfaces -- my wings were laid flat on tables for today's shoot. The manual I have says a conventional spray gun is better, but implies that an HVLP gun will also work OK. Don't believe it. I'll stick with the HVLP gun for priming, since the overspray is zilch. Yesterday I was ready to shop for solvent-based urethanes, but today I guess I'll stick with it. The advantages of not having clouds of isocyanates, MEK, toluene, and other nasties filling the shop will outweigh the tricky application problems, I think. Jim Cameron, ES #2 in progress (I think) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>