X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:27:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from pit-mailgw-02.smarsh.com ([199.47.168.12] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6617754 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:06:44 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.47.168.12; envelope-from=ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com Received: from [10.6.1.124] (helo=pit-dlpsvc-04.smarshinc.com) by pit-mailgw-02.smarsh.com with esmtp (Smarsh SMTP 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Vm1IG-0001xd-Sl; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:06:08 -0500 Received: from [10.6.0.110] (helo=cambridge.smarsh.com)by pit-obdlp-04.smarsh.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256)(Smarsh SMTP 4.80.1)(envelope-from )id 1Vm1Go-0006Yy-Ja; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:04:38 -0500 Received: from ([173.163.46.146]) by cambridge.smarsh.com (IceWarp 10.4.4) with ASMTP (SSL) id NYG59436; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:04:36 -0500 From: "Gordon Porter" X-Original-To: "'Paul Miller'" , References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] stuck starter solenoid X-Original-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:04:34 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <00c401ceec3a$63605900$2a210b00$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01CEEC10.7A8A5100" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac7rpKjUMOd11CusT5y8jA8879xIjQAlSjfA Content-Language: en-us X-Smarsh-Out: 1 X-Smarsh-Out-CID: cid14628smarsh X-Smarsh-PID: 1Vm1Go-0006Yy-Ja ckx-imap-uid: 4546 ckx-imap-isUid: YES ckx-imap-seen: NO ckx-imap-answered: NO ckx-imap-deleted: NO ckx-imap-flagged: NO ckx-imap-draft: NO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01CEEC10.7A8A5100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is a great idea, Paul. I have the VP-200, so I can see the current= draw and I can see the starter circuit energized on the screen, but tha= t would show green for "on" in the VP world. I much rather have a light= as you suggest. I shudder at the thought of embarking on a long flight= under the condition I had. Should be pretty easy to do. =20 The experiment continues!! =20 Gordon =20 =20 =20 From: Paul Miller [mailto:pjdmiller@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:13 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] stuck starter solenoid =20 Gordon, do you annunciate the starter engaged? it's a red light on my pa= nel Paul On 2013-11-27, at 10:50, "Gordon Porter" = wrote: Just thought I would throw in a data point here amidst all the relay tal= k. =20 Two weeks ago I had what turned out to be a stuck starter solenoid. I h= ad been troubleshooting my noise issue and had done a series of startups= and shutdowns. Four over 20 minutes or so. On the last shutdown, I mo= mentarily grounded the mags as normal and pulled the throttle and mixtur= e. Prop kept going=E2=80=A6.thought it was what we used to call dieseli= ng. Turned off mags=E2=80=A6still running. Fuel off.. still running. = Master off killed it. Master back on turned prop again, and quickly ble= w the fuse on my Vertical Power system at the main battery. I thought I= had a problem with the dreaded starter adapter, but that looked OK. =20 I'll save the whole troubleshooting story, but it was indeed the starter= solenoid. 2007 kit, about 90 hours total time. It was a Hersee soleno= id that I got directly from Lancair in the FWF kit for the starter circu= it. The part number was 24144 if my memory is correct (I do have a pic)= =2E I looked it up on their website. It was a continuous duty solenoid= like you would use for a master, and not an intermittent as needed for = the starter circuit. It seems to really make a difference. Someday I w= ill cut it open to see what it looks like. =20 =20 Gordon =20 ES N144GP ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01CEEC10.7A8A5100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That is a great idea, Paul.=C2=A0 I have the VP-200,= so I can see the current draw and I can see the starter circuit energiz= ed on the screen, but that would show green for "on" in the VP= world.=C2=A0 I much rather have a light as you suggest.=C2=A0 I shudder= at the thought of embarking on a long flight under the condition I had.= =C2=A0 Should be pretty easy to do.

 

The experiment continues!!

 

Gordon

 

 

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>From: Paul Miller [mailto:pjdmiller@gmail.com] <= br>Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:13 PM
To: lml@l= ancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] stuck starter solenoid

 

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Gordon, do you annunciate the starter engaged?= it's a red light on my panel

Paul


On 2013-11-27, at 10:= 50, "Gordon Porter" <ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com> wrote:

Just thought I would throw in a data point here amidst = all the relay talk.

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Two weeks ago I had what turned out to be a stu= ck starter solenoid.  I had been troubleshooting my noise issue and= had done a series of startups and shutdowns.  Four over 20 minutes= or so.  On the last shutdown, I momentarily grounded the mags as n= ormal and pulled the throttle and mixture.  Prop kept going=E2=80=A6= =2Ethought it was what we used to call dieseling.  Turned off mags=E2= =80=A6still running.  Fuel off.. still running.  Master off ki= lled it.  Master back on turned prop again, and quickly blew the fu= se on my Vertical Power system at the main battery.  I thought I ha= d a problem with the dreaded starter adapter, but that looked OK.

 

I= 'll save the whole troubleshooting story, but it was indeed the starter = solenoid.  2007 kit, about 90 hours total time.  It was a Hers= ee solenoid that I got directly from Lancair in the FWF kit for the star= ter circuit.  The part number was 24144 if my memory is correct (I = do have a pic).  I looked it up on their website.  It was a co= ntinuous duty solenoid like you would use for a master, and not an inter= mittent as needed for the starter circuit.  It seems to really make= a difference.  Someday I will cut it open to see what it looks lik= e.

 

 

Gordon

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