X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-yh0-f47.google.com ([209.85.213.47] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6616553 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:04:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.47; envelope-from=pjdmiller@gmail.com Received: by mail-yh0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 29so5089823yhl.6 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:03:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.222.231 with SMTP id t97mr992277yhp.125.1385568237038; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:03:57 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.144] ([68.202.59.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d26sm4077415yhj.25.2013.11.27.08.03.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:03:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [LML] stuck starter solenoid References: From: Paul Miller Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3933D217-26E7-4C3C-8305-78845E957610 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B146) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <5DFC2519-2601-40FF-BADA-4669544776C0@gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:03:54 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-3933D217-26E7-4C3C-8305-78845E957610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gordon, do you annunciate the starter engaged? it's a red light on my panel Paul On 2013-11-27, at 10:50, "Gordon Porter" wro= te: > Just thought I would throw in a data point here amidst all the relay talk.= > =20 > Two weeks ago I had what turned out to be a stuck starter solenoid. I had= been troubleshooting my noise issue and had done a series of startups and s= hutdowns. Four over 20 minutes or so. On the last shutdown, I momentarily g= rounded the mags as normal and pulled the throttle and mixture. Prop kept g= oing=E2=80=A6.thought it was what we used to call dieseling. Turned off mag= s=E2=80=A6still running. Fuel off.. still running. Master off killed it. M= aster back on turned prop again, and quickly blew the fuse on my Vertical Po= wer system at the main battery. I thought I had a problem with the dreaded s= tarter adapter, but that looked OK. > =20 > I'll save the whole troubleshooting story, but it was indeed the starter s= olenoid. 2007 kit, about 90 hours total time. It was a Hersee solenoid tha= t I got directly from Lancair in the FWF kit for the starter circuit. The p= art number was 24144 if my memory is correct (I do have a pic). I looked it= up on their website. It was a continuous duty solenoid like you would use f= or a master, and not an intermittent as needed for the starter circuit. It s= eems to really make a difference. Someday I will cut it open to see what it= looks like. > =20 > =20 > Gordon > =20 > ES N144GP --Apple-Mail-3933D217-26E7-4C3C-8305-78845E957610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gordon, do you annunciate the starter e= ngaged? it's a red light on my panel

Paul

On 2013-11-27= , at 10:50, "Gordon Porter" <ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com> wrote:

Just thought I would throw in a data point here amidst all the rela= y talk.

Two weeks ago I had what turned out to be a stuck starter soleno= id. I had been troubleshooting my noise issue and had done a series of= startups and shutdowns. Four over 20 minutes or so. On the last= shutdown, I momentarily grounded the mags as normal and pulled the throttle= and mixture. Prop kept going=E2=80=A6.thought it was what we used to c= all dieseling. Turned off mags=E2=80=A6still running. Fuel off..= still running. Master off killed it. Master back on turned prop= again, and quickly blew the fuse on my Vertical Power system at the main ba= ttery. I thought I had a problem with the dreaded starter adapter, but= that looked OK.

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'll save the whole troubleshooting story, but it was i= ndeed the starter solenoid. 2007 kit, about 90 hours total time. = It was a Hersee solenoid that I got directly from Lancair in the FWF kit fo= r the starter circuit. The part number was 24144 if my memory is corre= ct (I do have a pic). I looked it up on their website. It was a c= ontinuous duty solenoid like you would use for a master, and not an intermit= tent as needed for the starter circuit. It seems to really make a diff= erence. Someday I will cut it open to see what it looks like.

Gordon

ES N144GP

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