X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:45:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.58.246] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6602911 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:31:06 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.246; envelope-from=gw5@me.com Received: from [192.168.0.5] (cpe-071-077-249-052.ec.res.rr.com [71.77.249.52]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MWE00CT5WATOJ10@nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:30:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-17_01:2013-11-15,2013-11-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311170085 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity References: From: George Wehrung Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5C3FF926-0B9E-4AA5-A20E-0E2301025477 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-reply-to: X-Original-Message-id: <66EDF53B-7446-4FFB-B6FE-1B58BC7F2061@me.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:30:28 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-5C3FF926-0B9E-4AA5-A20E-0E2301025477 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yes we did. We flew up to the western portion of the park and crossed the g= rand canyon through all four of the VFR corridors. The total length was 514= nm. I can send you the route off Foreflight if you want to duplicate the w= ay points. Sent from my iPad On Nov 16, 2013, at 18:22, Jay Phillips wrote: > George, > =20 > I live near Sedona. Sedona to Santa Fe great circle route is only 283 nm. I= can=E2=80=99t believe that took you 3.8 hours. Maybe you took the scenic ro= ute? J > =20 > Jay Phillips > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Geo= rge Wehrung > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:43 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity > =20 > =20 > Our ES the 95 gallon tank option; kit 014. > =20 > Our longest was a 3.8 from Sedona, AZ to Santa Fe, NM during our ferry fli= ght. Very painful on the bladder. We were traveling with probably about 200l= bs in luggage, tools and what not. It was my wife, 8 lb dog, and I. I use 3= 200 lbs total weight and we had just under that each day with about 92 gallo= ns of fuel. Lately, I have been having them fill to about 1=E2=80=9D below t= he caps because when they truly top it they seem to always get it on the win= g. =20 > =20 > For flight planning I use about 150 knots and 15 gph average burn; althoug= h, lately I have been getting better about setting LOP and running 12.5 to 1= 3.5 gph at 8 to 10,000. My average TAS has been about 170. > =20 > Now, I think with the first leg we will scale that back to a 2.5 to purge t= he coffee out and the next leg we can push to a longer 3.5. > =20 > Anyhow, that=E2=80=99s what we do. > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Nov 15, 2013, at 1:42 AM, Jim Scales wrote: >=20 >=20 > What would you consider to be "super long range"? > =20 > I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus reserve= and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of people bu= t no luggage. =20 > =20 > Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing.=20 > =20 > Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 gal re= maining. Made for a long day.=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" wrote= : >=20 > Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small? > I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flies wit= h full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you to gro= ss the tanks are too small. =20 > =20 > The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, would= n't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long range mac= hine." > =20 > I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows for s= ure. > =20 > Colyn > =20 > On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote: >=20 >=20 > Greetings: I=E2=80=99m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just lear= ned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90 gall= ons. Luckily I=E2=80=99m at the stage where I can add a bay without difficu= lty. I=E2=80=99ve checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some documentation o= n how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how others have accomplish= ed the modification. My the way, this is my first post, but surely not the l= ast. > =20 > James M. Anderson, III > Anderson & Ealick, P.C. > Suite 130 > 5855 Sandy Springs Circle > Sandy Springs, GA 30328 > 404-255-0319 > jma@jmalawfirm.com > =20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-5C3FF926-0B9E-4AA5-A20E-0E2301025477 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Yes we did.  We flew u= p to the western portion of the park and crossed the grand canyon through al= l four of the VFR corridors.  The total length was 514 nm.  I can s= end you the route off Foreflight if you want to duplicate the way points.





Sent from my iP= ad

On Nov 16, 2013, at 18:22, Jay Phillips <jayph@fastairplane.net> wrote:

George,

 

I live near Sedona. Sedona to Santa Fe= great circle route is only 283 nm. I can=E2=80=99t believe that took you 3.= 8 hours. Maybe you took the scenic route? J=

=  

Jay P= hillips

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironli= ne.net] On Behalf Of George Wehrung
Sent: Friday, November 1= 5, 2013 12:43 PM
To: lml@= lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fue= l capacity

&nbs= p;

 

Our ES the 95 gallon tank option; kit 014.

 

Our longest was a 3.8 from Sedona, AZ to Santa Fe, NM dur= ing our ferry flight. Very painful on the bladder. We were traveling with pr= obably about 200lbs in luggage, tools and what not.  It was my wife, 8 l= b dog, and I.  I use 3200 lbs total weight and we had just under that e= ach day with about 92 gallons of fuel.  Lately, I have been having them= fill to about 1=E2=80=9D below the caps because when they truly top it they= seem to always get it on the wing.  

 

For flight p= lanning I use about 150 knots and 15 gph average burn; although, lately I ha= ve been getting better about setting LOP and running 12.5 to 13.5 gph at 8 t= o 10,000.  My average TAS has been about 170.

=

 

Now, I think with the first leg we will scale that back to a 2.5 to purge t= he coffee out and the next leg we can push to a longer 3.5.

 

Anyhow, that=E2=80=99s what we do.

 

&nbs= p;

 

 

On Nov 15, 2013, at 1:42 AM, Jim Scales <joscales98@hotmail.com> wrote:



Wh= at would you consider to be "super long range"?

 

I c= arry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus reserve and p= ut me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of people but no l= uggage.  

 

Would be interested to hear what o= ther ES's are doing. 

<= o:p> 

Longest logged flight h= as been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 gal remaining.  Made for a= long day. 

 =

 

=


On Nov 14, 2013, a= t 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" <coly= ncase@earthlink.net> wrote:

Does anyone kno= w why the ES tanks are so small?

I= know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flies with f= ull tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you to gross t= he tanks are too small.  

 

The first time I saw an E= S and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill thos= e wings with fuel and make a super long range machine."

=

 

I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows= for sure.

 =

Colyn

 

On Nov= 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote:



Greetings:  I= =E2=80=99m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just learned that the st= ock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90 gallons.  Luck= ily I=E2=80=99m at the stage where I can add a bay without difficulty. = I=E2=80=99ve checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some documentation on ho= w to do that, but wanted to check here to see how others have accomplished t= he modification.  My the way, this is my first post, but surely not the= last.

 

James M. Anderson, III

Anderson & Ealick, P.C.<= /o:p>

Suite 130

5855 Sandy Spri= ngs Circle

Sandy Springs,  GA  30328

404-255-0319=

 

 

 

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