X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:44:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [162.39.147.243] (HELO pacmmta54.windstream.net.windstream.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6602598 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:13:16 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=162.39.147.243; envelope-from=rbalister@windstream.net Received: from raymondPC ([173.189.147.33]) by pacmmta54.windstream.net with pacmmta54 id qUCh1m0010jU0hH01UChfn; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:12:41 -0500 X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=cs4IzTIi c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=P9eQA4JAOuWEig2qD8v+hQ==:117 a=P9eQA4JAOuWEig2qD8v+hQ==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=fLcUwXTw-w4A:10 a=UT_QgiwtmQIA:10 a=Vp6oru3OnR8A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=jCjMekOTAAAA:8 a=tQhUFZT6JmhBB0dNV3QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=VAl9GSzx4W4A:10 a=ftFGBYpk1mUA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=v2sp6JMV-C8A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=3rt7YR4EgjSZxykaMNEA:9 a=pypEwr2OSpZuB70f:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.00 From: "Raymond Balister" X-Original-To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity X-Original-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:11:00 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CEE321.1D822F20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac7jJLm3Qfr32KZWSmil5puqzp4VDQAAxpxQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CEE321.1D822F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can appreciate all the comments regarding performance as much as the next person, but, let's not forget what the original poster asked. James's question was HOW to build the extended tanks. I can understand the reason for his question. When I purchased my kit, I got it with the optional extended tank fuel sensors. These are about 9 ft long and go for two more bays past the original ones (total of 6). The manual says nothing about how to extend the tanks. Fortunately, before I got to that point someone on the list made a post about it - I don't remember who, but "Thanks." One of the more important points the poster made was that the outboard bay should have the outboard end of the forward wall angled aft about an inch. The he indicated that this was to avoid interference between the forward outboard corner of the tank and the aileron controls. It's the small details, learned from experience that makes this forum so helpful. I don't post very often, but read every message. I've learned a lot and have/will use suggestions made here during my build. I'm still not finished yet, but I'm enjoying the journey. Raymond Balister ES-079 _____ From: Ralph Love [mailto:ralphlove@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:23 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity In my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours with 23.3 gallons remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwind Pink Legacy Ralph Love On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales wrote: What would you consider to be "super long range"? I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus reserve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of people but no luggage. Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing. Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 gal remaining. Made for a long day. On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" wrote: Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small? I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you to gross the tanks are too small. The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long range machine." I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows for sure. Colyn On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote: Greetings: I'm building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90 gallons. Luckily I'm at the stage where I can add a bay without difficulty. I've checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how others have accomplished the modification. My the way, this is my first post, but surely not the last. James M. Anderson, III Anderson & Ealick, P.C. 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I can appreciate all the comments regarding performance as much as the next person, but, let’s not = forget what the original poster asked.  James’s question was HOW to = build the extended tanks.  I can understand the reason for his = question.  When I purchased my kit, I got it with the optional extended tank fuel = sensors.  These are about 9 ft long and go for two more bays past the original = ones (total of 6).  The manual says nothing about how to extend the tanks.  Fortunately, before I got to that point someone on the list = made a post about it – I don’t remember who, but = “Thanks.”   One of the more important points the poster made was that the outboard bay = should have the outboard end of the forward wall angled aft about an = inch.  The he indicated that this was to avoid interference between the forward = outboard corner of the tank and the aileron controls.  It’s the small details, learned from experience that makes this forum so helpful.  = I don’t post very often, but read every message.  I’ve learned a lot = and have/will use suggestions made here during my build.  I’m = still not finished yet, but I’m enjoying the = journey.

 

Raymond = Balister

ES-079

 

From: Ralph = Love [mailto:ralphlove@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Saturday, November = 16, 2013 6:23 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: = LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity

 

In my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours = with 23.3 gallons remaining in the tanks. Had some = tailwind

Pink Legacy

Ralph Love


On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales <joscales98@hotmail.com> = wrote:

What would you consider to be "super long = range"?

 

I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours = plus reserve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# = of people but no luggage.  

 

Would be interested to hear what other ES's are = doing. 

 

Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with = 26 gal remaining.  Made for a long day. 

 

 


On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" <colyncase@earthlink.net> = wrote:

Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so = small?

I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane = flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you = to gross the tanks are too small.  

 

The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a = super long range machine."

 

I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone = knows for sure.

 

Colyn

 

On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. = wrote:



Greetings:  I’m building a slow build ES = (Kit # 11), and just learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be = enlarged to around 90 gallons.  Luckily I’m at the stage where I can add = a bay without difficulty.  I’ve checked with Lancair, and am = awaiting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how = others have accomplished the modification.  My the way, this is my first = post, but surely not the last.<= /p>

 

James M. Anderson, = III<= /p>

Anderson & Ealick, = P.C.<= /p>

Suite = 130<= /p>

5855 Sandy Springs = Circle<= /p>

Sandy Springs,  GA  30328<= /p>

404-255-0319<= /p>

 

 

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