X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm17-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.213.55] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6601942 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:22:49 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.213.55; envelope-from=charliekohler@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 13:22:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.215] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 13:22:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 13:22:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 996916.63606.bm@omp1024.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 65283 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2013 13:22:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zPwZoyd1u9J3uFRkC1TKi7RwICzvikDr56jl33q5usVrIyBgbSw+SfEuUOBbibWFUvA61oI/OCreeQoKf5HIrEO0dCOkJCdId86Jlm/9vFiCqgPqqOg7YvwXeB9Qk4y257pYvMey4lJ0MxP7PNp70tglcronCFcFFogcsR2kthk=; X-YMail-OSG: ctsBbPUVM1knV18uWa3.vSqfQjIza74qAU_5ZkeZnD_gYOw CX2Hw1ujDdkczMPJK8SSCMSl3Gp0SA8trJYXHetf2_XPdqum6ADxkgbK3kzj q3NZ1_331hsBiSwOyhUg2Y043xlBFp8TUevbMC4i_gBg6vOLjbF568Klz7IH DsGlNUrWiimzffPGw5fMRL09wZcD3pjLn76nJg9FIIoWGecKJaf7gLL7214s wvMTr0JEbP75G7CTgoRKhS96tAFmrJYyZTNzcfcoKqmSWM4g_N0GbZF1G6cT BQAO_DSeo8r9nbXCZjGJS2hYe4xY_xIsvv1Y0A2JeB_FR78FccECi_NKf6Ej cZ2c7nlyzlhhGARdAvFC6Ckc8cG7HJm1J2P3AV5X5wYk2qqCOS22tHV3_1jW qBee3S5uxTs150PcrtB0a9MFt4PGfLIhIKnZZ9bM8Qn0rXhPJqtc40L77aA9 a9kTCe7IhxeqAsemSa_t8j4F9ifZl5JJgrwenpNynx9F_Jmmx5DVXCL007E5 rkLLhwv00QNt9W4JDvtTvC7qsfwoUNtEYpSja6qz36btcCPylGC5UTeHFrQ0 AHNujIHq9NmZ6xi7.Db_K20nSH84IYYbhWyyPxA-- Received: from [67.8.20.66] by web141705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 05:22:13 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,QW5kIHRoYSBhbnN3ZXIgdG8geW91ciBxdWVzdGlvbiBpcy0tLS0tIHRoYXQncyB3aGF0IExhbmNlIHdhbnRlZC4KU2V2ZXJhbCBvZiB1cyB0cmllZCB0byB0YWxrIGhpbSBpbnRvIG1vcmUgZnVlbC4gQnV0IGhlIHdhcyBhZGFtYW50LsKgClNldmVyYWwgcG9zc2libGUgcmVhc29ucyB3aHkgaGUgZGlkbid0IHRoaW5rIGl0IHdhcyBuZWNlc3NhcnkgYW5kIG9yIGRlc2lyYWJsZS0twqAKMS4gaXQgZGlkIGhhdmUgYSBJTyAzNjAgaW4gdGhlIGJlZ2lubmluZy4KMi4gV2UgaGVhcmQgYSBzdG9yeSBhYm91dCBhbiABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.163.597 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1384608133.59957.YahooMailNeo@web141705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 05:22:13 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Kohler Reply-To: Charlie Kohler Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1244770810-2036545154-1384608133=:59957" --1244770810-2036545154-1384608133=:59957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And tha answer to your question is----- that's what Lance wanted.=0ASeveral= of us tried to talk him into more fuel. But he was adamant.=C2=A0=0ASevera= l possible reasons why he didn't think it was necessary and or desirable--= =C2=A0=0A1. it did have a IO 360 in the beginning.=0A2. We heard a story ab= out an airplane (early precursor to the 235) that had a hotwired foam wing.= Lance and Don Goetz were flying across country to an air show and a fuel l= eak internally- started melting the foam. And the wing started to lose its = shape in flight. Don saved the day and got them on the ground. =C2=A0=0AThe= experience didn't deter Don. (nor should it) =C2=A0He was the first =C2=A0= to carry fuel in the last bay outboard (LNC4) =C2=A0of the fuel cap and the= =C2=A0aileron push tube dry=C2=A0bay. I believe I was the second.=C2=A0=0A= =0ACharlie K.=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Friday, November 15, 2013 2:4= 5 PM, Gordon Porter wrote:=0A =0AI have ES-= 217.=C2=A0 I opted to add the "6th bay" in each wing and my useful fuel is = 104 gallons.=C2=A0 I fly non-stop from south FL (KVNC) to Harrisburg PA (KC= XY), 830nm, ~12.7 GPH, =C2=A0LOP in 4:45 or so.=C2=A0 Land with 30+ gallons= left.=0A=C2=A0=0AJim, if you check my kitlog build log, you will see pics = of the extra bays.=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0=0AGordon=0A=C2=A0=0AGordon H. Porter=0AM= anaging Partner=0ATrusted Wealth Advisors, LLP=0ARegistered Principal, Camb= ridge Investment Research, Inc.=0A=C2=A0=0A800-290-2632=C2=A0 717-757-4908= =C2=A0 fax 717-843-0180=0A=C2=A0=0AGHP@TrustedWealthAdvisors.com=0A=C2=A0= =0ASecurities offered through Cambridge Investment Research, Inc.. Member F= INRA/SIPC. Advisory Services offered through Cambridge Investment Research = Advisors, Inc., a Registered Investment Advisor. Tax services are offered b= y Trusted Wealth Advisors LLP. Trusted Wealth Advisors and the Cambridge In= vestment Research companies are unaffiliated entities.=0ATrading instructio= ns sent via e-mail may not be honored.=C2=A0 Please call our office, or Cam= bridge Investment Research trading desk at 800-756-8115=0A, for all buy/sel= l orders.=C2=A0 Please be advised that communications regarding trades in y= our account are for informational purposes only.=C2=A0 You should continue = to rely on confirmations and statements received from the custodian(s) of y= our assets.=C2=A0 The text of this communication is confidential, and use b= y any person who is not the intended recipient is prohibited.=C2=A0 Any per= son who receives this communication in error is requested to immediately de= stroy the text of this communication without copying or further disseminati= on.=C2=A0 Your cooperation is appreciated.=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom:Colyn Case [mail= to:colyncase@earthlink.net] =0ASent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:27 PM= =0ATo: Lancair Mailing List=0ASubject: Re: [LML] LNCE - Extended range fuel= capacity=0A=C2=A0=0ADoes anyone know why the ES tanks are so small?=0AI kn= ow a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flies with ful= l tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you to gross t= he tanks are too small. =C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AThe first time I saw an ES and ho= w big the wings are I thought "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings= with fuel and make a super long range machine."=0A=C2=A0=0AI can imagine e= ngineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows for sure.=0A=C2=A0= =0AColyn=0A=C2=A0=0AOn Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.= C. wrote:=0A=0A=0AGreetings:=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m building a slow build ES (Ki= t # 11), and just learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enl= arged to around 90 gallons.=C2=A0 Luckily I=E2=80=99m at the stage where I = can add a bay without difficulty.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve checked with Lancair, = and am awaiting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check h= ere to see how others have accomplished the modification.=C2=A0 My the way,= this is my first post, but surely not the last.=0A=C2=A0=0AJames M. Anders= on, III=0AAnderson & Ealick, P.C.=0ASuite 130=0A5855 Sandy Springs Circle= =0ASandy Springs,=C2=A0 GA=C2=A0 30328=0A404-255-0319=0Ajma@jmalawfirm.com --1244770810-2036545154-1384608133=:59957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And tha answer to your question is----- that's what Lanc= e wanted.
Several of us tried to talk him into more fuel. But he = was adamant. 
Several possible reasons why he didn't think i= t was necessary and or desirable-- 
1. it did have a IO 360 = in the beginning.
2. We heard a story about an airplane (early pr= ecursor to the 235) that had a hotwired foam wing. Lance and Don Goetz were= flying across country to an air show and a fuel leak internally- started m= elting the foam. And the wing started to lose its shape in flight. Don save= d the day and got them on the ground.  
The experience didn't deter Don. (nor should it)  He was th= e first  to carry fuel in the last bay outboard (LNC4)  of the fu= el cap and the aileron push tube dry bay. I believe I was the second.&nbs= p;

= Charl= ie K.
=0A
 
=0A
 


On Friday, = November 15, 2013 2:45 PM, Gordon Porter <ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com&= gt; wrote:
I have ES-217.  I opte= d to add the "6th bay" in each wing and my useful fuel is 104 gallons. = ; I fly non-stop from south FL (KVNC) to Harrisburg PA (KCXY), 830nm, ~12.7= GPH,  LOP in 4:45 or so.  Land with 30+ gallons left.
 
Jim, if you check = my kitlog build log, you will see pics of the extra bays. 
 
Gordon
 
=
Gordon H. Porter
=
Managing Partner
=
Trusted Wealth Advisors, LLP<= /span>
Registered Princi= pal, Cambridge Investment Research, Inc.
 
800-290-2632  717-757-4908  fax = 717-843-0180
 
GHP@TrustedWealt= hAdvisors.com
 
Secur= ities offered through Cambridge Investment Research, Inc.. Member FINRA/SIP= C. Advisory Services offered through Cambridge Investment Research Advisors= , Inc., a Registered Investment Advisor. Tax services are offered by Truste= d Wealth Advisors LLP. Trusted Wealth Advisors and the Cambridge Investment= Research companies are unaffiliated entities.
Trading instructions sent= via e-mail may not be honored.  Please call our office, or Cambridge Investment Research trading desk at 800-756-8115
, for all buy/sell ord= ers.  Please be advised that communications regarding trades in your a= ccount are for informational purposes only.  You should continue to re= ly on confirmations and statements received from the custodian(s) of your a= ssets.  The text of this communication is confidential, and use by any= person who is not the intended recipient is prohibited.  Any person w= ho receives this communication in error is requested to immediately destroy= the text of this communication without copying or further dissemination.&n= bsp; Your cooperation is appreciated.
 
=
From: Colyn Case [mailto:colyncase@earthl= ink.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:27 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: Re: [LML] LNCE - Extended range f= uel capacity
=  
Does anyone know why the= ES tanks are so small?
I k= now a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flies with fu= ll tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you to gross = the tanks are too small.  
 
The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thoug= ht "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super= long range machine."
 
I can imagin= e engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows for sure.
 
Colyn
 
On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote:
=


Greetings:&nb= sp; I=E2=80=99m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just learned that = the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90 gallons.&nbs= p; Luckily I=E2=80=99m at the stage where I can add a bay without difficult= y.  I=E2=80=99ve checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some documentat= ion on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how others have acco= mplished the modification.  My the way, this is my first post, but sur= ely not the last.
 = ;
James M. = Anderson, III
A= nderson & Ealick, P.C.
Suite 130=
5855 Sandy Spr= ings Circle
San= dy Springs,  GA  30328
404-255-0319
 
 

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