X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([173.201.193.238] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6601277 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:51:20 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=173.201.193.238; envelope-from=jayph@fastairplane.net Received: from shuriken ([69.92.48.82]) by p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id pvql1m0071mPo4M01vqlpt; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:50:46 -0700 From: "Jay Phillips" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity X-Original-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:50:43 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <00ae01cee23b$f8fef790$eafce6b0$@fastairplane.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AF_01CEE201.4CA01F90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLUMPR1ygn6tzbz4+n77C8z0NUN85gcFWQw Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01CEE201.4CA01F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, I live near Sedona. Sedona to Santa Fe great circle route is only 283 nm. I can't believe that took you 3.8 hours. Maybe you took the scenic route? J Jay Phillips From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Wehrung Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:43 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity Our ES the 95 gallon tank option; kit 014. Our longest was a 3.8 from Sedona, AZ to Santa Fe, NM during our ferry flight. Very painful on the bladder. We were traveling with probably about 200lbs in luggage, tools and what not. It was my wife, 8 lb dog, and I. I use 3200 lbs total weight and we had just under that each day with about 92 gallons of fuel. Lately, I have been having them fill to about 1" below the caps because when they truly top it they seem to always get it on the wing. For flight planning I use about 150 knots and 15 gph average burn; although, lately I have been getting better about setting LOP and running 12.5 to 13.5 gph at 8 to 10,000. My average TAS has been about 170. Now, I think with the first leg we will scale that back to a 2.5 to purge the coffee out and the next leg we can push to a longer 3.5. Anyhow, that's what we do. On Nov 15, 2013, at 1:42 AM, Jim Scales wrote: What would you consider to be "super long range"? I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus reserve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of people but no luggage. Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing. Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 gal remaining. Made for a long day. On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" wrote: Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small? I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you to gross the tanks are too small. The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long range machine." I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows for sure. Colyn On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote: Greetings: I'm building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90 gallons. Luckily I'm at the stage where I can add a bay without difficulty. I've checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how others have accomplished the modification. My the way, this is my first post, but surely not the last. James M. Anderson, III Anderson & Ealick, P.C. Suite 130 5855 Sandy Springs Circle Sandy Springs, GA 30328 404-255-0319 jma@jmalawfirm.com ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01CEE201.4CA01F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

George,

 

I live near Sedona. Sedona to Santa Fe great circle route is only 283 = nm. I can’t believe that took you 3.8 hours. Maybe you took the = scenic route? J

 

Jay Phillips

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = George Wehrung
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:43 = PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE = - Extended range fuel capacity

 

 

Our ES the 95 gallon tank option; kit = 014.

 

Our = longest was a 3.8 from Sedona, AZ to Santa Fe, NM during our ferry = flight. Very painful on the bladder. We were traveling with probably = about 200lbs in luggage, tools and what not.  It was my wife, 8 lb = dog, and I.  I use 3200 lbs total weight and we had just under that = each day with about 92 gallons of fuel.  Lately, I have been having = them fill to about 1” below the caps because when they truly top = it they seem to always get it on the wing.  

 

For flight planning I use about 150 knots and 15 gph = average burn; although, lately I have been getting better about setting = LOP and running 12.5 to 13.5 gph at 8 to 10,000.  My average TAS = has been about 170.

 

Now, I think with the first leg we will scale that = back to a 2.5 to purge the coffee out and the next leg we can push to a = longer 3.5.

 

Anyhow, that’s what we do.

 

 

 

 

On = Nov 15, 2013, at 1:42 AM, Jim Scales <joscales98@hotmail.com> = wrote:



What would you consider to be "super long = range"?

 

I = carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus reserve = and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of people = but no luggage.  

 

Would be interested to hear what other ES's are = doing. 

 

Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. = Landed with 26 gal remaining.  Made for a long = day. 

 

 


On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, = "Colyn Case" <colyncase@earthlink.net> = wrote:

Does = anyone know why the ES tanks are so small?

I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to = say a plane flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel = doesn't bring you to gross the tanks are too small. =  

 

The = first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, = wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long = range machine."

 

I = can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows for = sure.

 

Colyn

 

On = Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. = wrote:



<= div>

Greetings:&= nbsp; I’m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just learned = that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 90 = gallons.  Luckily I’m at the stage where I can add a bay = without difficulty.  I’ve checked with Lancair, and am = awaiting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check here = to see how others have accomplished the modification.  My the way, = this is my first post, but surely not the last.=

 =

James M. Anderson, = III=

Anderson & Ealick, = P.C.=

Suite 130=

5855 Sandy Springs = Circle=

Sandy Springs,  = GA  30328=

404-255-0319=

 =

 

 

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