X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.58.246] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6600679 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:49:28 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.246; envelope-from=gw5@me.com Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([71.77.249.52]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MWB005IN519EI80@nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:48:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-15_02:2013-11-15,2013-11-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311150065 From: George Wehrung Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_10D2758A-AE1B-4967-935B-DC1DC2F232D7" X-Original-Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity X-Original-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:48:45 -0500 References: X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) --Apple-Mail=_10D2758A-AE1B-4967-935B-DC1DC2F232D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Our ES the 95 gallon tank option; kit 014. Our longest was a 3.8 from Sedona, AZ to Santa Fe, NM during our ferry = flight. Very painful on the bladder. We were traveling with probably = about 200lbs in luggage, tools and what not. It was my wife, 8 lb dog, = and I. I use 3200 lbs total weight and we had just under that each day = with about 92 gallons of fuel. Lately, I have been having them fill to = about 1=94 below the caps because when they truly top it they seem to = always get it on the wing. =20 For flight planning I use about 150 knots and 15 gph average burn; = although, lately I have been getting better about setting LOP and = running 12.5 to 13.5 gph at 8 to 10,000. My average TAS has been about = 170. Now, I think with the first leg we will scale that back to a 2.5 to = purge the coffee out and the next leg we can push to a longer 3.5. Anyhow, that=92s what we do. On Nov 15, 2013, at 1:42 AM, Jim Scales wrote: > What would you consider to be "super long range"? >=20 > I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus = reserve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# = of people but no luggage. =20 >=20 > Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing.=20 >=20 > Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 = gal remaining. Made for a long day.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" = wrote: >=20 >> Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small? >> I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane = flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't = bring you to gross the tanks are too small. =20 >>=20 >> The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, = wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long = range machine." >>=20 >> I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows = for sure. >>=20 >> Colyn >>=20 >> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote: >>=20 >> Greetings: I=92m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just = learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around = 90 gallons. Luckily I=92m at the stage where I can add a bay without = difficulty. I=92ve checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some = documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how = others have accomplished the modification. My the way, this is my first = post, but surely not the last. >> =20 >> James M. Anderson, III >> Anderson & Ealick, P.C. >> Suite 130 >> 5855 Sandy Springs Circle >> Sandy Springs, GA 30328 >> 404-255-0319 >> jma@jmalawfirm.com >> =20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_10D2758A-AE1B-4967-935B-DC1DC2F232D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

Our ES the 95 gallon tank = option; kit 014.

Our longest was a 3.8 from = Sedona, AZ to Santa Fe, NM during our ferry flight. Very painful on the = bladder. We were traveling with probably about 200lbs in luggage, tools = and what not.  It was my wife, 8 lb dog, and I.  I use 3200 = lbs total weight and we had just under that each day with about 92 = gallons of fuel.  Lately, I have been having them fill to about 1=94 = below the caps because when they truly top it they seem to always get it = on the wing.  

For flight planning I use about = 150 knots and 15 gph average burn; although, lately I have been getting = better about setting LOP and running 12.5 to 13.5 gph at 8 to 10,000. =  My average TAS has been about 170.

Now, I = think with the first leg we will scale that back to a 2.5 to purge the = coffee out and the next leg we can push to a longer = 3.5.

Anyhow, that=92s what we = do.




On = Nov 15, 2013, at 1:42 AM, Jim Scales <joscales98@hotmail.com> = wrote:

What would you consider to be = "super long range"?

I carry 91 useable which = can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus reserve and put me about 1000 = nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of people but no luggage. =  

Would be interested to hear what other = ES's are doing. 

Longest logged flight has = been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 gal remaining.  Made for = a long day. 



On Nov 14, = 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" <colyncase@earthlink.net> = wrote:

Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so = small?
I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a = plane flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel = doesn't bring you to gross the tanks are too small. =  

The first time I saw an ES and how big the = wings are I thought "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with = fuel and make a super long range machine."

I = can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows for = sure.

Colyn

On Nov 14, = 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote:

Greetings:  I=92m building a slow build ES = (Kit # 11), and just learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can = be enlarged to around 90 gallons.  Luckily I=92m at the stage where = I can add a bay without difficulty.  I=92ve checked with Lancair, = and am awaiting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted to = check here to see how others have accomplished the modification.  = My the way, this is my first post, but surely not the = last.
 
James = M. Anderson, III
Suite 130
5855 Sandy Springs = Circle
Sandy Springs,  = GA  30328


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